Dutton Vocalion: What's Next?

[armyjazzer]

That's because these are new, original recordings by Dutton Epoch, not archival releases originally issued by other labels. They were recorded by MJD with multichannel playback in mind, not remixed for that format. However, like most modern "multichannel" classical releases, there is little to no discrete action; the rear channels offer mostly hall ambience.

I guess I missed that. I thought they were old recordings remixed to surround. Thanks for the info and correction!

 

[ubertrout]

I think most if not all of D-V's modern classical recordings are actually in quad, which isn't actually that unusual - a fair number of modern classical recordings are like that. The center channel isn't that important for many classical releases.

 

[Owen Smith]

The center channel isn't that important for many classical releases.

It shouldn't be used at all for any music releases in my opinion. Centre channel should be restricted to dialogue only in TV and films.

 

[Imbobman]

They just show up.

Yes, unless @steelydave gives us a bit of a heads up beforehand....

 

[Sal1950]

It shouldn't be used at all for any music releases in my opinion. Centre channel should be restricted to dialogue only in TV and films.

I don't know, I think it might hold an important position for Atmos and other immersive mixes.
I'd let the artists and recording engineers make the final call on that.

 

[Malhomme]

That's how most legacy quad classical recordings were done too, nothing new about that approach. There are some quad classical releases that put you in the middle of the orchestra but not many.

And some have weird panning (I.E. Firebird conducted by Boulez)

 

[humprof]

The Pierre Boulez Centennial is coming up next year (2025), with big programs planned at Carnegie Hall and Lincoln Center. I'd be surprised if we didn't see new or reissued box sets from Sony and/or Deutsche Grammophon. A good opportunity for Dutton here, too. We've already got Boulez conducts Bartok, Stravinsky, Ravel, Wagner...maybe Mike could round out the series with Varèse?
https://www.discogs.com/release/1192863-Varèse-New-York-Philharmonic-Boulez-Boulez-Conducts-Varèse-Amériques-Arcana-Ionisation
Or perhaps there's an unissued quad recording of Schoenberg's Moses & Aaron?
https://www.discogs.com/release/3143147-Pierre-Boulez-Conducts-Schoenberg-Moses-And-Aaron
These wouldn't be big sellers, but as several people here have noted, Varèse in particular was an influence on several 70s pop & rock stars, from Zappa to Chicago's Robert Lamm, in addition to being a major figure in the history of electronic music.

 

[par4ken]

The Pierre Boulez Centennial is coming up next year (2025), with big programs planned at Carnegie Hall and Lincoln Center. I'd be surprised if we didn't see new or reissued box sets from Sony and/or Deutsche Grammophon. A good opportunity for Dutton here, too. We've already got Boulez conducts Bartok, Stravinsky, Ravel, Wagner...maybe Mike could round out the series with Varèse?
https://www.discogs.com/release/1192863-Varèse-New-York-Philharmonic-Boulez-Boulez-Conducts-Varèse-Amériques-Arcana-Ionisation
Or perhaps there's an unissued quad recording of Schoenberg's Moses & Aaron?
https://www.discogs.com/release/3143147-Pierre-Boulez-Conducts-Schoenberg-Moses-And-Aaron
These wouldn't be big sellers, but as several people here have noted, Varèse in particular was an influence on several 70s pop & rock stars, from Zappa to Chicago's Robert Lamm, in addition to being a major figure in the history of electronic music.

As I've said many times before, I was never really a classical fan but always liked Boulez, starting with "Miraculous Mandarin", that I had on Q8 in the seventies. I've recently added many more titles to my collection, both DV releases as well as the original SQ LP"s. I will be adding more; I haven't come across a single release that I didn't care for yet!

 

[barfle]

As I've said many times before, I was never really a classical fan but always liked Boulez, starting with "Miraculous Mandarin", that I had on Q8 in the seventies. I've recently added many more titles to my collection, both DV releases as well as the original SQ LP"s. I will be adding more; I haven't come across a single release that I didn't care for yet!

If you can get a copy of the Duruflé Requiem, it's amazing!

https://www.discogs.com/release/541...gers-Desborough-School-Choir-Andrew-Davis-New

 

[Colin London]

I wish he could do the Donny Hathaway one Quadraphonic 1973 recording
Atlantic/WEA

 

[humprof]

I wish he could do the Donny Hathaway one Quadraphonic 1973 recording
Atlantic/WEA

That would be in Rhino's bailiwick.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Hmmmm, I gotta wonder why (or when) DV , can surprise us with some more from the olde RCA quad catalogue?
I'm hoping Harry Nilsson disc's are coming some time soon . I'd easily and happily pay double, for his Nilsson Schmilsson album , same goes for
Pussy Cats.

 

[britmarc]

How about a 2 SACD set of Charley Pride quads...?

 

[ubertrout]

If you can get a copy of the Duruflé Requiem, it's amazing!

https://www.discogs.com/release/5411732-Duruflé-Kiri-Te-Kanawa-Siegmund-Nimsgern-Ambrosian-Singers-Desborough-School-Choir-Andrew-Davis-New

I must have this. Apparently this was Andrew Davis's only quadraphonic recording? Obvious reissue for Dutton.

The most traditional coupling by far is the Faure Requiem. Apparently there was a quadraphonic issue in Japan also owned by Sony. No clue if it's any good: https://www.discogs.com/release/817...kyo-Metropolitan-Symphony-Orchestra-Kazuo-Yam

 

[jaybird100]

Hmmmm, I gotta wonder why (or when) DV , can surprise us with some more from the olde RCA quad catalogue?
I'm hoping Harry Nilsson disc's are coming some time soon . I'd easily and happily pay double, for his Nilsson Schmilsson album , same goes for
Pussy Cats.

How about both, on one disc?

 

[quicksrt]

How about both, on one disc?

One of them is considered an artistic and commercial high-water mark.

 

[bming]

Michael where are the new DV quad reissues?
Don't let covid get us first before we can buy more DV.

I am listening to their latest release "State Fair". As someone who loves musicals this one was a no brainer. I cannot get over the wonderful surround sound mix that it is. Vintage quad at its best.

 

[Sal1950]

I am listening to their latest release "State Fair".

Say it ain't so Joe ? LOL

 

[GOS]

I am listening to their latest release "State Fair". As someone who loves musicals this one was a no brainer. I cannot get over the wonderful surround sound mix that it is. Vintage quad at its best.

Good to hear. I ordered this one too, should arrive in the next week or so.

 

[Q-Eight]

How about a 2 SACD set of Charley Pride quads...?

I'd be down for that. There's lots to pick from but I'd wonder if there may be issues with regards to the estate. I've heard rumor that's also the reason tying up anything from Jerry Reed and probably Waylon Jennings as well. But I agree; there's still lots to mine from the RCA catalog if everybody could get their poop in a group!

Jerry Reed
Waylon Jennings
Dolly Parton
Charley Pride
The Youngbloods
Jose Feliciano
Harry Belafonte

One that struck me the other day was Walter Murphy's "A Fifth of Beethoven". Who would control that today? The original stereo LP was put out on Private Stock but the Quad tape was only available through your local Ford Dealership as a white-label cartridge.... reproduced by RCA! So, would that particular 4-channel master tape still be in a Sony vault somewhere?