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August 5, 1972

CO-EISTENCE
SUMS UP THE
QUADRASONIC EQUIPMENT
SITUATION NOW

By Earl Paige

THE APPROACHING FALL SELLING SEASON
will be the first in which large quantities of 4-channel equipment are available. Aggressive retailers, many now veterans in promoting quadrasonic during its developing stages, will begin to move more impressive amounts of goods. In fact, some marketing experts in the industry are already talking about 4-channel in terms of mass merchandising, though this is probably another year away. Equipment, after all, is still relatively high-priced and there is the continuing question of enough available software.
For many in the industry, however, the larger question remains the outcome of the so-called battle of the systems--matrix versus discrete. Just the same, many people are coming to believe that the two systems will co•exist for some time to come. More and more manufacturers are announcing equipment suitable "for all quadrasonic applications.” Most often, there is mention of the capability to reproduce matrix disks and discrete tapes but Japan Victor, to name just one company, has announced a line of players equipped for both disk systems.
Actually, there are three quadrasonic disk systems, or rather, two matrix systems and the discrete system developed by RCA, JVC, and Panasonic. CBS, which has been joined by Electro-Voice, has one matrix disk system and Sansui has the other. Both matrix systems are mutually compatible.
On the tape side, there is virtually none of the matrix versus discrete confusion because the tape format has always been discrete. Even CBS, which is strongly pushing its SQ matrix disk con.cept, elected to go discrete in 8-track tape, a fact discrete advocates like to point out. Even though there are some record companies that are making matrix tape available, by far the picture in prerecorded tape is discrete.
Thus, all the focus on the disk confrontation has caused some people to ignore the fact that 4-channel has put 8-track cartridges in a most favorable position, according to Oscar P. Kusisto, vice president, general manager, Motorola Automotive Products.
In fact, because many see 4-channel as a step-up item in consumer electronics, the relatively low price of automotive quadrasonic makes it an ideal avenue for retailers to move the consumer into 4-channel for the home, say Kusisto and others.
A number of industry observers have remarked about the new status of 8-track. At the last institute of High Fidelity consumer show, the 8-track cartridge was referred to repeatedly. Panelist Bill Cawlfield noted that heretofore 8-track had never been an audiophile item.
“It was totally accidental that 8 track had enough capacity for
4-channel," Cawlfield said, “and of all places, you see 8-track 4-channel coming in through automobiles where players will be priced under $100." (Kusisto takes issue with the point about 8-track being accidentally capable, arguing that the introduction by RCA and Motorola of quadrasonic 8-track at the 1970 International Music Industry Conference was with "much forethought.")
During the past several months, several industry experts have alluded to high energy 8-track cartridges and even Dolbyized 8-track software. Ampex Stereo Tapes chief William Slover acknowledges that duplication with high energy tape and Dolbyization are under consideration by AST. TDK Electronics showed high energy 8-track blanks at the recent Consumer Electronics Show and TDK marketing director George Saddler has repeatedly said that 8-track is now a "hi fi medium.”
Indeed, 8-track, once completely ignored by the audiophile media, blossomed forth this spring in 4-channel guides such as that from High Fidelity, which showed 8-track quadrasonic models from over two dozen manufacturers.
Still another reason why 8-track 4-channel is so suddenly respectable relates to the one factor almost everyone agrees is cen tral to the success of quadrasonic, i.e., software.
As Kusisto, Cawlfield and numerous others have pointed out, retailers respect 2 channel 8-track and are therefore more willing to stock another inventory of 4-channel in this configuration. The same would not be true of cassette; if 4-channel cassette were feasible. Nor would open reel 4-channel prerecorded inventories be welcome, considering the long existing flat plateau of open reel prerecorded sales.
Finally, it can be said of discrete 4-channel 8-track that the configuration enjoys a long history as quadrasonic goes. There are other formats. Ovation Records president Dick Schory notes his label has matrix 8-track and cassette available. But when asked if this didn't add to the confusion, he says the two matrix configuration are not being touted. Ovation does have discrete 8-track and discrete open reel. So the lead of discrete 8-track is firmly established, so much so that this was the prime reason CBS went with discrete tape, says Stanley J. Kavan, CBS' chief quadrasonic spokesman, who was on the CES 4-channel seminar.
"We wanted to make a market, not divide one," Kavan told the audience. "We felt going along with Q8 (discrete cartridges) would keep the market stable."
"As RCA's John Pudwell was also on the panel, Kavan apparently didn't want his antagonist to smile too smugly, because he quickly added: "Although there were some who would have preferred CBS go with a matrix tape cartridge.
And so the debate was joined.
In the few intervening weeks since CES, many in the industry have looked back at the show as a sort of watershed event in terms of focusing more clearly on 4-channel and what to stock for fall.
Indications from the panel and from CES generally are heartening. Panelist Richard Schaak, Schaak Electronics, Minneapolis, went along with industry estimates that put 4-channel as comprising 10 percent of the industry volume this fall. Kusisto has since said this figure is probably accurate on an "annualized” basis for year-end '72.
Notes Schaak: “I just hope we'll be able to get enough equipment." He predicts 4-channel sales will jump 25 to 30 percent by year end.
Equally optimistic is Harold A. Weinberg, Lafayette Radio Electronics, New York, a firm that pioneered in 4-channel. He offers the rationale of many who see matrix as the step-up to discrete and said Lafayette elected to go strongly with matrix because "it leads to more levels of pricing. We did not want to eliminate a large number of customers even if discrete is better." Both agree that the average sale of a 4-channel outfit now is around $500, considerably above the average price of a 2-channel system, which they said runs between $200-$300. The $500 figure, while indicating retailers can expect higher dollar volume, does put 4-channel as a mass market item further from consideration at the moment.
Nevertheless, 4-channel decorders and other so-called “stereo enhancement" products do allow for low end merchandisers to participate in quadrasonic. Some decoders and ambiance deriving units do not even require two additional amplifiers. There does, indeed, seem to be plenty of hardware for the retailer who views 4-channel as in an interim phase and there is also a growing amount of quadrasonic units around $200 list.
But most people agree that hardware really isn't the question. While some equipment manufacturers are waiting, most have one or a few models at least in prototype stages if not introduced and many have several models in lines.
The question is software.
The CES audience was promised
100 SQ disk titles by year end, but more than that, the product will be by top rated artists, Kavan said.
Clearly, the emphasis in software is on quality.
Pudwell, in fact, said RCA released too much Q8 product in 1969. "Not all of the (68 titles were released) product should have been released," he said. Thus, RCA will come out with between 15 and 20 4-channel disks.
Sheer number of available titles is misleading, Kavan says. "One Andy Williams, John Lennon or Enoch Light is worth 10 Stanley Kavan's." But numbers will increase. Kavan believes
4-channel will be a mass market item, probably by late '73, and he forecasts 300 titles by then.
RCA also has long-range projections. At the recent IMIC, Rocco Laginestra, RCA Records president, said, “By this time next year (May), we plan all RCA records in discrete 4-chan-nel."
Yet another long range projection was Kavan's comment that "we can look forward to one inventory." As for now, SQ disks cost more and will continue to be list priced at $1 more, thus constituting a dual inventory.
In one respect, single inventory is the argument being raised by proponents of the Sansui matrix format.
Schory says his firm committed to Sansui because there is only one inventory/one price. He also opted for complete compatibility, he notes. "I want our records to sound good in monaural, great in 2 channel and fantastic in 4-channel."
But Schory, a pioneer in RCA's early years in stereo, is quick to point out that he sees no confusion between the CBS-EV SQ and Sansui format. "The Sansui system is basically similar to early EV and that is where most of the hardware is at. There is no compatibil ity problem."
As for the discrete disk moving also to a more popular price level, Pudwell says the question of a phonograph cartridge capable of handling the carrier frequency of the discrete disk is being resolved. He says a $12.95 price cartridge had been examined and found "very satisfactory."
Lou Dorren of Ouadracast mentions a cartridge for the RCA
"Quadradisc" that is "$5.95 OEM Japan."
Thus, while more and more manufacturers sign as SQ matrix licensees and therefore expand the number of models available for that system, the discrete concept gains followers too and promises to be far less expensive then first imagined.
What is discrete disk?
Pudwell says that essentially it is a system that allows for four discrete or separate channels to be placed inside that two-wall groove of a disk. The system uses a very wide bandwidth and multiplex concept. Involved are frequencies up to and beyond 45 kHz.
There is a complete signal in the frequency range below 20 kHz, right front and back and left front and back. Thus, the disk plays normally in monaural players and on stereo players.
The frequency range above 25 kHz is handled via a modulated carrier sig-nal, and as Pudwell explains this upper range carries the difference between the back and front on both sides. Thus, quadrasonic is derived through use of a cartridge that can handle the wide frequency range and a demodulator.
Champions of the discrete format, such as Brad Miller, Mobile Fidelity Productions, Inc., contend that it provides more creative freedom than matrix.
"This issue (matrix vs discrete)
must rest ultimately at the creative level, and not with the hardware," Miller says. "The discrete format allows the producer/artist the creative freedom to place any instrument, sound, or effect, anywhere, and I mean anywhere, within the 360 degree listening area, and when reproduced through a discrete tape deck or via the DC-4 disk system, remains exactly as the producer/artist in tended.
"On the other hand, the various matrix concepts place serious restriction as to where instruments, sounds and effects may be placed. For example, I place the bass of the Mystic Moods Orchestra in dead center rear.
This instrument completely disappears in monaural, and is seriously degraded in stereo when matrixed."
Critics of discrete, whether having heard poorly produced recordings or not, generally complain of exagger.ated channel separation. Sid Silver of Sansui told the recent IHF audience that a discrete version of "2001: A Space Odyssey” seemed to him to be
"pulled apart, harsh, confusing, phony." He said, "The same sound track in 2-channel through a matrixing system that can synthesize is fantastic."
What is matrix disk?
Benjamin B. Bauer, vice president, acoustics and magnetics, CBS Laboratories, explains the system this way:
"The SQ record system retains the two basic stereo modulations. The left channel modulation becomes the left front quadraphonic channel and the right channel modulation becomes the right front quadraphonic channel.
In addition, the SQ system provides two new modes of modulation for the remaining two channels.
"To record an SQ master, all four channels of a quadrasonic master tape are passed through the SQ encoder. The encoder preserves undiluted the signals of the two front channels causing them to be recorded precisely like those of regular stereo record; it also produces two additional circular modulations.
"As the record rotates: and the groove advances, a clockwise helix is produced for the left back channel and a counter clockwise helix is produced for the right back channel.
These two helixes carry the back channel information in the SQ record."
Matrix had gained ground primarily because it has been available longer in disk form and to a lesser extent because it has been used by FM stations.
However, Dorren and other have said repeatedly that discrete FM broadcasting is viable.
Kusisto adds it will come sooner than expected because FM discrete technology will lead to multiple television audio channels, and thus will logically win Federal Communications Commission favor.
Meanwhile, far-sighted marketers of equipment and retailers are gearing for 4-channel in whatever mode.
There is even more serious discussion of 4-channel cassette units being developed, indicating, if nothing else, that 4-channel is here to stay.
More and more manufacturers are tending to emphasis "universal" 4-channel capability. Thus, one finds the new line announced in Japan by JVC, a discrete proponent, described as being equipped with a CBS/Sony regular matrix decoder. On the other hand, new model from EV, a matrix proponent, is described in advertisements as having "full provision for 4-channel tape or future 'discrete' disk inputs…It's all there."
 
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IN QUAD,
AS IN LIFE ITSELF,
THERE CAN BE
ONLY ONE LEADER.
PRESENTING SQ
.

SQ is the leading quad system.
There are more than 50 pieces of product on Columbia alone, including Barbra Streisand, Simon & Garfunkel, Miles Davis, Andy Williams and Leonard Bernstein, to name just a few (not to mention the product available on Vanguard and EMI).
There are more than 35 equipment-makers licensed to produce SQ hardware, including all the greats: Sony, Fisher, KLH, AR, Pioneer, Lafayette Radio and Masterworks, with more signing up every day.
And SQ is getting air play, lots of air play.
There are a lot of quadraphonic systems. But SQ is the system.
 
Once again matrix quad encoded prerecorded tapes (8-track and compact cassette) are mentioned as being produced by at least 1 record label (Ovation).


On prerecorded Dolby B NR encoded compact cassettes (at least in the early years, ~1972) there was an advisory printed on the paper insert:

Although not SQ matrix quad encoded, my Chase Ennea (EPIC/CBS ET 31097) prerecorded cassette
made in 1972 is Dolby B encoded.

The paper insert says:
This tape is mastered to Dolby "B" standards for noise reduction.
Decrease treble response when playing on non-Dolbyised equipment.


It seems almost certain that a Dolby B + matrix quad encoded prerecorded stereo tapes would, at some point, be played without Dolby B decoding into a matrix quad decoder, I wonder if the content producers considered this eventuality and how it would likely distort the directionality.

(I might get out my cassette deck, make a Dolby B recording of one of my Dolby Surround CDs and then play it into my Dolby Pro-Logic decoder with Dolby B off just to see how the surround sound sounds)


Kirk Bayne
 
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...though he said some would have preferred CBS go matrix in 8-track too.


First time I've heard about such a thing, anyone here have a stereo 8-track recorder - have you tried recording SQ encoded content on a stereo 8-track blank tape and playing it through an SQ decoder to see if the 8-track format has enough phase stability to work for (SQ) matrix quad?


Kirk Bayne
I did try recording a handful of SQ records to cassette, and they played back fine on the machine that recorded them. I’ve done enough work with tale to know that head azimuth alignment can wreak havoc between machines, and phase angle between gaps as far apart as 8-tracks could have been a nightmare.
 
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August 5, 1972

MATRIX
AND
DISCRETE
PROPONENTS
SHY AWAY
FROM THE TERM
WAR

By Bob Kirsch

IS THERE REALLY A DISCRETE/ MATRIX WAR
surrounding 4 channel sound, or is the controversy simply a philosophical and technological difference of opinion that will eventually evolve into peaceful coexistence between the systems?
The answer to this question differs, depending upon who one talks to. With RCA the major proponent of discrete software and CBS the big backer behind matrix disks and equipment, many observers tend to view whatever conflict there may be as "the same old thing, RCA versus CBS."
On the surface, this may appear logical. Both firms are producing hardware in their respective modes and both have lined up impressive lists of licensees to manuficture hardware. Both firms, along with their backers, have publicized their efforts widely and all involved point to the advantages of their own systems.
CBS has been releasing its albums in the SQ mode at a $1 increase. RCA, which debuted two quadradiscs at the International Music Industry Conference in Mexico last May, had announced two additional titles in July. The first two releases--Hugo Montenegro's "Love Theme From The Godfather" and "The Fantastic Philadel phians" with Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra--ran into problems in having the 4 channel LP match the sound level of regular 2 channel stereo disks, with the result that they weren't released to the public until this technical point was rectified. And that development occurred in late July. There were a few isolated promotional instances in which copies of these two first LP's were offered by retailers.
But they were held back from general release at RCA president Rocco Laginestra's insistence until the levels matched.
In talking closely to RCA and CBS, as well as with some of their larger licensees, a number of interesting points emerge.
All firms involved seem concerned first with getting the 4-chan nel concept as a whole over to the public; no company wants to call the discrete / matrix controversy a war and no firm feels that it is a war; many key executives feel both systems will find a spot in the market and will co•exist, at least for the immediate future: many firms believe there is room for compromise; a number of manufacturers are involved in both discrete and matrix systems and several companies are licensees for both RCA and CBS.
The differences of opinion center around several points: what system is "true” 4-channel; what system is best artistically; who has the software availability; what is compatibility; and what is the "quality" system?
Briefly, what are the differences between discrete and matrix 4-channel?
In discrete 4-channel, the individual channels remain separate throughout the process. The channels are four independent signals. The master tape is reproduced by means of a tape player that can pick up the four channels and move them through four amplifiers to four speakers.
In matrix 4-channel, four channels of material are encoded into two channels through mixing. These channels can be put on a disk, broadcast on FM radio or recorded on tape. When the material is played back through matrixing equipment, the two channels are decoded into four channels and are heard from four speakers.
In addition, there are several methods of achieving derived 4-channel, through converters and adaptors.
There are also several matrixing systems, including the CBS SQ system (with Electro Voice now working with CBS) and the Sansui QS system. RCA, JVC and Panasonic have combined efforts on the discrete system now in use.
All 4-channel tapes are discrete, but disks can be either matrix or discrete. It is in the disk area that much of the 4-channel controversy is centered.
Twelve firms are committed to manufacture players for the "Ouadradisc discrete system developed by JVC, Panasonic and RCA. These firms are: Harman-Kardon, Toshiba, Hitachi, Kenwood, Onkyo, Sanyo, Sharp, Pioneer, RCA, JVC, Panasonic and Nippon Columbia.
What do some of these firms say about the discrete / matrix "war?"
RCA's John Pudwell feels there "is no need for both systems but we can't find a common ground to go on. As 45's and 33's are existing for different purposes, and as cassettes and 8-track tapes coexist, both discrete and matrix systems will coexist."
Pudwell adds: "We have a system. We have not entered or won any war and there is room for compromise. Since there are hardware commitments on both sides, the systems will co exist.
We can live in peace together, and there will consumers who will pick a system."
Pudwell also says, however, that he feels 4-channel brings about a new state of the art, and "we have made strong decisions based on our beliefs.
A double inventory is something we don't want and we do not want old material reissued. This is not the way to present a new type of music."
Jeff Berkowitz, sales manager of Panasonic says that "There should be an industry feeling that before we iron out which system is going to be the system, we must educate the consumer. The CES didn't do that much in the way of education so it's up to the firms.
As for war, this is not a war. The comparison we draw is the one between cassette and 8-track. Both 4-channel systems will find a space and they're both viable systems.
Berkowitz adds: “We think discrete will be the end system, but matrix is certainly viable for the interim period. Discrete is a true system, but matrix has a place. Discrete is also better from the creative standpoint for the artist. He mixes to get a certain effect and you can't do this with matrix. The artist loses control of his material once it passes through the encoder.
"But this lining up on side hurts our industry," Berkowitz continues. “We are not knocking matrix. Right now there is turmoil at the retail and consumer level and this has to be remedied. Four channel is something the dealer should get into, but he has to understand what it is. We don't want to see another cassette and 8-track battle with dealers taking sides. What we have here is a fundamental technological disagreement, and it's only the consumer that suffers in a war. While we favor discrete, we will be offering matrix as well and we look for coexistence for sometime." JVC's marketing manager Gerry Orbach agrees with much of what Berkowitz has to say. "The 4-channel situation should be a joint effort,” Orbach says. "Matrix is a legitimate system, and it has a lot of software available. While we do think discrete is the better system, both systems are viable."
Orbach notes that it will take a while for discrete software to become readily available and that the special cartridge required to play discrete disks must be looked at in the proper light, meaning a little extra cost is required for a discrete system.
"The artist does have more control with discrete," adds Orbach. “But we feel the consumer has to make up his mind for himself. By next year there will be discrete and matrix receivers combined and the systems can live side•by side for the next few years. Maybe they will continue to, such as cassette and 8-track. Ideally, the retailer should be able to demonstrate both configurations and this would reinforce the feeling of most firms that the consumer will have to make up his own mind."
CBS, which has been the major proponent of matrix 4-channel disks through their large SQ series of albums and hardware, feels that both systems can exist but believes matrix is the most logical one.
Firms who are licensees for the SQ system include: Acoustic Research, KLH, Benjamin Concord, Electro Voice, Fisher, Sony, Har man Kardon, Kenwood, Marantz, Pioneer, Sherwood, Aiwa, Arvin, Connaught, Instruteck, Masterwork, Major, Metrotel, Morse, Teledyne Packard Bell, Pilot, Rotel, Sanyo, Soundesign, Reletone, VM, and Waller.
Columbia's Stan Kavan, in discussing the SQ matrix system asks: "How can there be a war when one system is there and the other is not? It's hard for us to accept the fact that we are intensifying any war when we were there more than a year before the other system.
"As for coexistence, the question answers itself. Through SQ you can get 4 channel playback which is comparable to the master tape. What is the need for a system that does not return the stereo characteristic? With SQ you get all of these characteristics, including time, loudness, broadcast, retention of highs, same signal and noise ratio as on stereo and the same cartridge. Two systems just confuse the consumer at a time when education is vital.
"The forces of the marketplace require coexistence for now, but I don't see it as long term."
In answering the argument of discrete advocates that an artist can be more creative in discrete, Kavan replies: "The 4-channel dimension is as fully available to the artist in matrix as it is in any form."
Kavan has some other comments to make concerning SQ and 4-channel. "The consumer's concept of 4-channel is confused. This is a more sophisticated development than stereo and requires a more inclusive program--for dealer and consumer.
To start, 4-channel means four different signals; you can listen the way you do in natural life. As for releasing some of our older product, they're all made from 16- track masters and we have the capability of making the 4 channel mix, so why not release them. I also feel the receiver unit carrying the decoder is good, rather than a free-standing decoder. The real market is in the integrated unit."
Kavan easily comments on the definition of discrete. "Discrete is a term of quality, not methodology. You can have SQ discrete performance in that sense." Lafayette, which is one of Columbia's larger licensees, also disagrees with the
"war" approach. Harold Weinberg, audio merchandise manager, says "We just wish the dealer would sell 4-channel. As for us becoming an SQ licensed, it was obviously because of the software availability. Weinberg doesn't see the 4-channel disagreement as a parallel with 8-track and cassette, but rather as a comparison between 33 and 45 rpm.
"Coexistence requires something to exist." Weinberg adds, "and at the moment, discrete software does not exist. Forget about the technical problems, the software just isn't there. As for more artistic creativity with discrete, most of the recording directors today don't use stereo to its full advantage and I see a recording director's imagination as the only limit on what can be produced. This includes 4-channel.
"The confusion at the moment," Weinberg continues, "is not with the consumer but with the dealer. A lot of them simply aren't doing their homework. They have to revise their displays and know the 4 channel concept. We try to educate our dealers in the concept and we have regular meetings and we also send out material for the stores.
"Right now, as far as discrete versus matrix is concerned, the important thing is, are you getting a satisfactory listening effect with the SQ system? I think you are."
Fisher is another large Columbia SQ licensee, and sales manager Bill Kist notes, "This year at the CES, a number of manufacturers, ourselves included, came out with strap units."
These units feature built-in SQ matrix decoders, jacks for CD4 input and four discrete amplifiers which can be strapped for twice the power in stereo.
"This is now a direction,” Kist says. "I think the ultimate answer will be discrete and this strap unit is a way to go.
"I do think SQ is a fine interim system," Kist adds, "and I see coexistence between SQ and discrete for some time. Most hardware now has SQ-EV decoders and the software is there. But I think discrete will take over much the same way stereo phased out mono. Of course, SQ does make a lot of sense and it does a viable job.
"The key to 4-channel," Kist goes on, "is not to confuse the consumer anymore. The industry must put the
4-channel concept across to the consumer."
Kist also says Fisher has developed its own record encoded in SQ to check
4-channel systems, much like Enoch Light's old stereo checkers.
A spokesman for Sansui, which claims to have a different matrix system from Columbia, agrees that he does not like the term "war."
"I see co-existence for a while," the spokesman says, "but a universal system is closer than most people think.
Our matrix system is different than the SQ system because ours is the only one that can pick up sounds distinctly from a 360 degree angle and playback and record without any loss of sound. We have pickup in all directions and we claim to be the only ones with this. The artist can work with this.
"Several firms," he continues, "are going into 4-channel issuing discrete tapes and matrix records. You only need one master with the Sansui technique."
As for the competition between systems, "It is inevitable that the consumer be exposed to all types of systems," the spokesman says, "but he doesn't necessarily hear the best. We're conducting an educational program for dealers and we have recommended certain 4-channel records for consumers.”
Kenwood is one firm that is a licensee for both the SQ and RCA Quadradisc systems. "Ideally, discrete will be the solution," notes a spokesman,
"and this is the ultimate goal. There are questions as to whether discrete can be broadcast easily, and this is one reason why matrix is good for now. I think discrete and matrix will be side-by-side in disk form for some time.
"The fact that we are original SQ licensees does not mean we are committed only to matrix. We are set to manufacture the Quadradisc player also, Columbia had the software, so we signed. And they still have the software and the big advantage.
"This is not a matter of war," says the source, "and I can see the systems existing together for years. Consumers will make the eventual decision and everyone will have something. I'm sure discrete will eventually run more than 20 minutes per side (the current disk time) and I'm sure the cartridge will be cheaper. The main thing now is to get the 4-channel concept over to the consumer.
A number of companies are involved in both matrix and discrete 4-channel. Motorola is one such firm.
According to Tony Mirabelli, "We presently have systems that will play both modes, but no system that will play the RCA disk. It will play discrete tapes and matrix disks. Once the discrete format settles down and once the necessary hardware to play the disk is ready at a reasonable price, discrete will be on top.
Dennis Stancik adds that, "One of our systems will receive FM discrete broadcasts if the consumer plugs in an adaptor that will be available at a nominal cost. Columbia has the jump now, and the systems will coexist for a long time. But I look for discrete to take over eventually."
In any case, it appears that most firms are right—the ultimate controversy will be settled by the consumer, the retailer and the artist.
 
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RCA, which debuted two quadradiscs...ran into problems in having the 4 channel LP match the sound level of regular 2 channel stereo disks, with the result that they weren't released to the public until this technical point was rectified. And that development occurred in late July. There were a few isolated promotional instances in which copies of these two first LP's were offered by retailers.


Seems like an interesting collectors item, the original masterings of these 2 RCA "demo" quadradiscs, mastered at a lower baseband/sum signal level than the official releases (RCA would have been using the JVC Mark 1 ~1/3 speed CD-4 mastering system in 1972).

My copy of APD1-0001 (purchased 1973-02) is several dB lower level than my stereo LPs (made in 1972/73).


Kirk Bayne
 
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August 5, 197

RED TO DEVELOP
A ‘Q’ CASSETTE
MOVES AHEAD


A number of companies are working on the development of 4-channel cassette equipment. These include Toshiba, Philips, the Victor Company of Japan, Astrocum/Marlux, Panasonic, Akai and Pioneer.
Philips, which holds the patents on the cassette system, is reported against any system that tries to put four channels on a cassette in a way that is not fully playable on existing stereo and mono units.
Technological problems, a near total absence of 4-channel hardware and the resultant lack of mass consumer interest, have prompted the cassette committee of the International Tape Assn. to consider the development of an endless loop 4-channel cassette.
The hope of the committee is that it could urge the ITA's board to petition Philips to make special licensing agreements available to cassette manufacturers so that an endless loop cassette could be developed.
Meanwhile, Toshiba has held demonstrations of its quadrasonic cassette unit and JVC has gone one step further and released some technical data on its unit. The width of its tape is 3.81mm, the same is used for standard cassette tape. The tape has a reported frequency response of 40 to 12,000 Khz. The four channels are placed on one half of the width, so that the cassette can be flipped over after side one runs its course.
If a 4-channel cassette is developed, observers believe it will have to be an endless loop tape, because regular flip type cassettes could not accommodate eight tracks of sound and would, therefore, be playable on only one side.
Is there a need for a quadrasonic cassette? Shouldn't albums, 8-track cartridges and open reel tapes suffice? Not really, some audiophiles feel.
The cassettes international acceptance, its portability and its improved status as a legitimate high fidelity sound source lend itself to become a carrier for 4-channel sound.
Just when this carrier begins carrying data isn't clear. As one North American Philips official states: "We have no information to release on the 4-channel cassette at this time.”
 
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The recording studio: ready and willing to meet the challenge of quadrasonic sound. The question: where are the quadrasonic oriented companies?

August 5, 1972

Q REMAINS A BIG
QUESTION MARK
FOR ENGINEERS

By Sam Sutherland

THE IMPACT OF QUADRASONIC REPRODUCTION
systems on the consumer market can be measured by a short trip to a local retail outlet. But, while the consumer's view of home products is dominated by the presence of quadrasonic systems, the recording industry, and those members of the industry involved in actually recording programs for records and tapes, remains noncommittal in many cases.
The response of several veteran engineers at studios on both coasts demonstrates that, for the artist, producer and recording engineer, quadrasonic sound remains largely a question mark. And, while previously recorded product is being remixed for discrete and matrix releases, the actual volume of original quadrasonic material is very limited.
Certain labels and artists have committed themselves to one system or another. But the independent studio operator, and the recording engineer who is responsible for assembling a master mix that will be entertaining and convincing, are, more often than not, mystified by the equipment manufacturers' emphasis on consumer hardware when little software exists.
Dave Palmer is a veteran engineer at Electric Lady Studios in New York, where the state of the recording art has always been carefully monitored through the continual upgrading of equipment that competitive multi channel studios have to follow. Yet Palmer notes that very little quadrasonic work has been brought into the studio, and what work has been handled has been primarily for discrete tapes.
“What it all comes down to is standardization," Palmer notes.
He is discussing the relative values of discrete and matrix systems, and, in commenting on matrix systems, Palmer finds that the leading systems still pose problems for the engineer.
"The records that I've done have been mostly for discrete. It's nice to know that John Doe, sitting at home with his discrete system, if he has enough sense to just balance the speakers, will hear it the way I wanted him to." Which, Palmer continues is not quite the case with existing matrix systems.
"For matrix, it's different," Palmer says. And, from his view, point, the difference can be measured in terms of the problems encountered in locating information on rear channels. Palmer notes that, with early encoding systems, rear channel information was difficult to control, and occasionally signals were reversed.
In summarizing the differences for the engineer, Palmer states,
"The engineer obviously has to know what's going on. And there are certain things that will show up on a discrete system that simply won't be there on a matrix."
Bill Robinson, chief engineer at Sunset Sound in Los Angeles, described similar experiences. "I've had some problems with placement in the matrix, as well as some out of-phase problems that we managed to clear up later," he states, and, again, rear channel information was cited as the most common source of dit ficulty.
Robinson also cites a low volume of quad work. “Very roughly, between 5 and 10 percent of our clients have inquired about quadrasonic. Yet I know that all the people manufacturing hardware and software are really pushing it."
Still, Robinson expresses his belief that quadrasonic product will have a powerful future after there is an agreement on standardization. And after the remaining problems in matrixing are removed. While he notes that his experiences with discrete systems have been far less unsettling, with no problems in making the tape, Robinson notes, "that doesn't tell you anything about how the discrete record will sound."
Having listened to JVC's discrete records, Robinson comments, “I can't say I was overly impressed in terms of the sound, but I was particularly concerned about the amount of time available on each side, and the cost factor.
Many equipment manufacturers don't seem to realize how the costs will affect the independent operator. They fail to recognize that the operator is forced to make an incredible investment. And that factor has to be taken into consideration." He notes that, with a conventional stereo production requiring anywhere from $10,000 to $100,000, and up to several months in mixing, it is hardly wise for the operator, the producer and the label to increase those costs for quadrasonic formats when the actual market for a specific format might be questionable at present.
In this respect, Robinson points to matrix as having an advantage for the studio operator. Unlike discrete mastering, which requires a formidable investment in new equipment, “There's very little to add to the existing equipment for matrix. The investment is minimal. And that's a plus factor.
"I feel that the technical problems involved in matrixing systems at present will be solved. Once the differences are settled between the matrix systems, I think the whole thing will explode." At New York's Record Plant, Shelly Yakus also reports a small volume of quadrasonic work. "People are scared to death. They just don't know which way to go.
"The thing is, if I mix to discrete 4-channels, everything's fine.
Which is what we do, because there is no set system. So, we provide clients with the 4 channel tape, and let them take it from there." Which, for Yakus, appears to be less than satisfactory.
"Which system do you go through? It's up to the producer," he stated. That lack of agreement on a matrixing system makes such a decision questionable at best, and Yakus notes that, with Roy Cicala and Tom Flye, also engineers at the Record Plant, he had appeared on Alex Bennett's radio show and, in talking about engineering, the three men had focused on the question of quadrasonic work. Their consensus was, frankly, that "Mixing for it is just weird. And almost impossible to comment on until a final system is selected." Until then, the field is dangerous, and studio operators and labels alike are running risks in selecting formats.
At New York's AdVantage Sound Studios, Peter Scheiber, patent holder for quadrasonic systems, has been serving as that facility's quadrasonic consultant. And, while Scheiber confesses his own possible prejudices for various systems, he focuses on certain basic demands. "If you're mixing on a matrix system, it's important to monitor through the decoder, to hear precisely what the consumer will hear at home."
As for discrete systems, and discrete records, Scheiber suspects that the RCA disk will encounter some problems, simply because the record's output is six to 10 decibels below standard albums. “If you have a record and you throw it on an a&r man's turntable, it's to your advantage if it's loud. Which may sound a little ridiculous, but it's true." Even though that listener need only increase the volume for the right effect, Scheiber feels that some production people may encounter problems bringing that disk in.
Finally, though, Scheiber sees the issue as one of marketing, and the creation of a significant quadrasonic audience. As for the engineer, his challenge lies in developing a complete awareness of the capabilities of each system. Apart from that, the recording process, in terms of hardware alone, remains a tool for the creation of the aural product.
Once standardization is reached, what will quadrasonic recording represent? Dave Palmer notes that, "It's going to take some time for people to realize that quadrasonic sound isn't going to smack them in the head at first." That, he feels, is more a psychological barrier than an engineering problem, and he discusses the problem of back image contraction, a tendency in perceiving sound common to most listeners, in which rear channel information appears to leak from the sides around the listener.
Simply transferring two channels of information onto four may create problems as well, Palmer says, since further separation of the elements may diminish a piece's impact. With certain kinds of program, the music might suffer. And, Palmer continues, there are existing discrepancies with regard to compatibility. He questioned why companies released both stereo and quadrasonic versions of albums when the quadrasonic disks were supposed to be compatible. "I've concluded that, in many instances, they must not be compatible."
Bill Robinson is more optimistic, and he feels that the potential excitement of quadrasonic recording is great. "Every major company is waiting to see what will happen, and which system will be used. And, at that point, the industry will start developing product."
That, Robinson notes, will be exciting indeed. "It's a new dimension in recording, as they say. And it's what we all try to do: to develop something that is entertaining.”
That entertainment is the real goal, Robinson says, and the technical questions are finally subordinated to the simple problem and promise of quadrasonic sound as a new approach to recording.
 
August 5, 1972

MUSICIANS HAVE TO
LEARN VALUES OF
4-CHANNEL SAYS
MOTOROLA'S KUSISTO


The consumer electronics industry is gradually realizing that Oscar Kusisto's predictions have a habit of coming true. Thus his prophesies about 4-channel stereo are gaining more attention as more potential is realized for the concept.
As for the growing credibility of Kusisto, vice president and general manager of Motorola's automotive products division, it stems primarily from his role as a pioneer in 8-track. Of course, 8 track led logically to 4-chan-nel and ultimately to Kusisto's strong belief in the discrete 4-channel system.
But what isn't generally known, or at least not publicized, is that for all his image as an engineering oriented hardware man, Kusisto has a respectable musical background. He understands software.
“I believe there are too many people in the music business who do not honestly have an understanding of the music appreciation and values that the discrete format provides the artist and producer."
The executive believes: "There appears to be too much emphasis on reproduction systems, both hardware and software and too little attention to what we're trying to do in terms of shopwork in the recording studios." What are the broad implications, then, of discrete 4-channel?
"We do not hear in a flat, two dimensional mode. We hear in an almost infinite dimensional mode and what is important from the artist's point of view is that we have the maximum latitude to convey the musical experience to the consumer."
"I'm afraid very few artists yet realize or have an appreciation of what they have as a tool." And even fewer of the men in the music world either have this recognition or appreciation."
For this reason, he has discussed with Enoch Light and others the development of a "Conductors Series" of recordings that would "bring the living experience of the podium" to the listener in the living room. This would not derive entirely from the concert recording because Kusisto repeatedly stresses the new challenge discrete has for the studio placement of mikes and for mixing.
As for the status of discrete 4-channel in the automotive area, Kusisto agrees that there is no confusion at this level. The early dominance of 8-track 2-channel led to a "spontaneous" adoption of the discrete cartridge format.
As for Motorola adequately pushing car 4-channel, in view of releasing basically one model until recently, he says an analogy to color TV is apt.
“Software producers feared there were not enough color sets out there” and hardware firms saw the opposite lack of programming.
"We cannot be in a position of producing a broad 4-channel hardware line when the market is limited (by software).” However, Kusisto says he is encouraged by the growing number of 4-channel 8-track cartridges. As for sales of hardware, he says, "We have seen a really healthy beginning in 1972."
The slight built, energetic Motorola automotive chief sits in his Chicago office under 24-hour clocks set for Tokyo, London and America and responds to a stream of calls from around the world. He has asked engineers for their views on 4-channel sound.
Motorola engineer Hugo Korn for one, believes the most salient argument for discrete is Panasonic's demonstration with four language channels, which can allow listeners to discriminate one against the other three undesired language tracks.
 
Once again matrix quad encoded prerecorded tapes (8-track and compact cassette) are mentioned as being produced by at least 1 record label (Ovation).


On prerecorded Dolby B NR encoded compact cassettes (at least in the early years, ~1972) there was an advisory printed on the paper insert:

Although not SQ matrix quad encoded, my Chase Ennea (EPIC/CBS ET 31097) prerecorded cassette
made in 1972 is Dolby B encoded.

The paper insert says:
This tape is mastered to Dolby "B" standards for noise reduction.
Decrease treble response when playing on non-Dolbyised equipment.


It seems almost certain that a Dolby B + matrix quad encoded prerecorded stereo tapes would, at some point, be played without Dolby B decoding into a matrix quad decoder, I wonder if the content producers considered this eventuality and how it would likely distort the directionality.

(I might get out my cassette deck, make a Dolby B recording of one of my Dolby Surround CDs and then play it into my Dolby Pro-Logic decoder with Dolby B off just to see how the surround sound sounds)


Kirk Bayne
Dolby B has nothing to do with surround sound. It is, strictly, noise reduction. Tapes can have Dolby B, or even Dolby C, and also include some type of surround matrix. The Ovation cassettes are, as you said, QS-encoded. Angel/EMI released many classical cassettes that are SQ-encoded. The matrix encoding, and noise reduction, are completely independent of each other. A surround-encoded cassette, played with or without Dolby noise reduction, will decode for surround exactly the same. The biggest problem with pre-recorded, matrix-encoded cassettes has more to do with head azimuth. If the playback head isn't exactly lined up with the head on the duplicator, there can be an effect on the matrix decoding. When you record a matrixed record onto a cassette, the tape will sound best on the machine that recorded it. There are no guarantees when the tape is played on a different player.
 
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August 5, 197

RED TO DEVELOP
A ‘Q’ CASSETTE
MOVES AHEAD


A number of companies are working on the development of 4-channel cassette equipment. These include Toshiba, Philips, the Victor Company of Japan, Astrocum/Marlux, Panasonic, Akai and Pioneer.
Philips, which holds the patents on the cassette system, is reported against any system that tries to put four channels on a cassette in a way that is not fully playable on existing stereo and mono units.
Technological problems, a near total absence of 4-channel hardware and the resultant lack of mass consumer interest, have prompted the cassette committee of the International Tape Assn. to consider the development of an endless loop 4-channel cassette.
The hope of the committee is that it could urge the ITA's board to petition Philips to make special licensing agreements available to cassette manufacturers so that an endless loop cassette could be developed.
Meanwhile, Toshiba has held demonstrations of its quadrasonic cassette unit and JVC has gone one step further and released some technical data on its unit. The width of its tape is 3.81mm, the same is used for standard cassette tape. The tape has a reported frequency response of 40 to 12,000 Khz. The four channels are placed on one half of the width, so that the cassette can be flipped over after side one runs its course.
If a 4-channel cassette is developed, observers believe it will have to be an endless loop tape, because regular flip type cassettes could not accommodate eight tracks of sound and would, therefore, be playable on only one side.
Is there a need for a quadrasonic cassette? Shouldn't albums, 8-track cartridges and open reel tapes suffice? Not really, some audiophiles feel.
The cassettes international acceptance, its portability and its improved status as a legitimate high fidelity sound source lend itself to become a carrier for 4-channel sound.
Just when this carrier begins carrying data isn't clear. As one North American Philips official states: "We have no information to release on the 4-channel cassette at this time.”
Somehow, I can't see Philips ever going along with an endless loop cassette. One of the advantages of cassette, over 8 track, was the ability to fast-forward, and rewind, the tape. I think JVC had the right idea, using all four tracks in the same direction, for quad. Philips's idea was to put 8 tracks on a tape, half the width of that of an 8 track tape, making the tracks much narrower than those on the 8 track. Since the cassette also runs at half the speed of the Q8, and those ridiculously narrow tracks, head alignment and sound quality are bound to suffer greatly. Even going with tape formulations with better response characteristics, a tape head that's even slightly out of alignment will be disastrous. The lesser of the two evils, the Philips technique vs. matrixing, would be to employ QS, or SQ, encoding. The Philips method would compromise sound quality on stereo and mono players, as well as quad.
 
Somehow, I can't see Philips ever going along with an endless loop cassette. One of the advantages of cassette, over 8 track, was the ability to fast-forward, and rewind, the tape. I think JVC had the right idea, using all four tracks in the same direction, for quad. Philips's idea was to put 8 tracks on a tape, half the width of that of an 8 track tape, making the tracks much narrower than those on the 8 track. Since the cassette also runs at half the speed of the Q8, and those ridiculously narrow tracks, head alignment and sound quality are bound to suffer greatly. Even going with tape formulations with better response characteristics, a tape head that's even slightly out of alignment will be disastrous. The lesser of the two evils, the Philips technique vs. matrixing, would be to employ QS, or SQ, encoding. The Philips method would compromise sound quality on stereo and mono players, as well as quad.
Actually, there were endless loop cassettes floating around in the early 70s. One issue I recall is that one of the hubs dodn’t rotate (probably supply), which made some players sense the end of tape and shut off in just a few seconds.

Edit: I worked on a 4-track cassette recorder around 1977. It had a specific purpose, that being courtroom transcription. Four gaps in one head, one channel for judge, one for witness, one for defense attorney and one for prosecutong attorney. It ran at half the standard speed, so a C-90 tape still did 90 minutes, but just one way. We sold a bunch to South Africa, and a second generation did come out that I wasn’t involved in. The company I worked for was Odetics and the division was GYYR.
 
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Actually, there were endless loop cassettes floating around in the early 70s. One issue I recall is that one of the hubs dodn’t rotate (probably supply), which made some players sense the end of tape and shut off in just a few seconds.

Edit: I worked on a 4-track cassette recorder around 1977. It had a specific purpose, that being courtroom transcription. Four gaps in one head, one channel for judge, one for witness, one for defense attorney and one for prosecutong attorney. It ran at half the standard speed, so a C-90 tape still did 90 minutes, but just one way. We sold a bunch to South Africa, and a second generation did come out that I wasn’t involved in. The company I worked for was Odetics and the division was GYYR.
The only endless-loop cassettes I've seen were the ones used in telephone answering machines, for outgoing messages.
 
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The recording studio: ready and willing to meet the challenge of quadrasonic sound. The question: where are the quadrasonic oriented companies?

August 5, 1972

Q REMAINS A BIG
QUESTION MARK
FOR ENGINEERS

By Sam Sutherland

THE IMPACT OF QUADRASONIC REPRODUCTION
systems on the consumer market can be measured by a short trip to a local retail outlet. But, while the consumer's view of home products is dominated by the presence of quadrasonic systems, the recording industry, and those members of the industry involved in actually recording programs for records and tapes, remains noncommittal in many cases.
The response of several veteran engineers at studios on both coasts demonstrates that, for the artist, producer and recording engineer, quadrasonic sound remains largely a question mark. And, while previously recorded product is being remixed for discrete and matrix releases, the actual volume of original quadrasonic material is very limited.
Certain labels and artists have committed themselves to one system or another. But the independent studio operator, and the recording engineer who is responsible for assembling a master mix that will be entertaining and convincing, are, more often than not, mystified by the equipment manufacturers' emphasis on consumer hardware when little software exists.
Dave Palmer is a veteran engineer at Electric Lady Studios in New York, where the state of the recording art has always been carefully monitored through the continual upgrading of equipment that competitive multi channel studios have to follow. Yet Palmer notes that very little quadrasonic work has been brought into the studio, and what work has been handled has been primarily for discrete tapes.
“What it all comes down to is standardization," Palmer notes.
He is discussing the relative values of discrete and matrix systems, and, in commenting on matrix systems, Palmer finds that the leading systems still pose problems for the engineer.
"The records that I've done have been mostly for discrete. It's nice to know that John Doe, sitting at home with his discrete system, if he has enough sense to just balance the speakers, will hear it the way I wanted him to." Which, Palmer continues is not quite the case with existing matrix systems.
"For matrix, it's different," Palmer says. And, from his view, point, the difference can be measured in terms of the problems encountered in locating information on rear channels. Palmer notes that, with early encoding systems, rear channel information was difficult to control, and occasionally signals were reversed.
In summarizing the differences for the engineer, Palmer states,
"The engineer obviously has to know what's going on. And there are certain things that will show up on a discrete system that simply won't be there on a matrix."
Bill Robinson, chief engineer at Sunset Sound in Los Angeles, described similar experiences. "I've had some problems with placement in the matrix, as well as some out of-phase problems that we managed to clear up later," he states, and, again, rear channel information was cited as the most common source of dit ficulty.
Robinson also cites a low volume of quad work. “Very roughly, between 5 and 10 percent of our clients have inquired about quadrasonic. Yet I know that all the people manufacturing hardware and software are really pushing it."
Still, Robinson expresses his belief that quadrasonic product will have a powerful future after there is an agreement on standardization. And after the remaining problems in matrixing are removed. While he notes that his experiences with discrete systems have been far less unsettling, with no problems in making the tape, Robinson notes, "that doesn't tell you anything about how the discrete record will sound."
Having listened to JVC's discrete records, Robinson comments, “I can't say I was overly impressed in terms of the sound, but I was particularly concerned about the amount of time available on each side, and the cost factor.
Many equipment manufacturers don't seem to realize how the costs will affect the independent operator. They fail to recognize that the operator is forced to make an incredible investment. And that factor has to be taken into consideration." He notes that, with a conventional stereo production requiring anywhere from $10,000 to $100,000, and up to several months in mixing, it is hardly wise for the operator, the producer and the label to increase those costs for quadrasonic formats when the actual market for a specific format might be questionable at present.
In this respect, Robinson points to matrix as having an advantage for the studio operator. Unlike discrete mastering, which requires a formidable investment in new equipment, “There's very little to add to the existing equipment for matrix. The investment is minimal. And that's a plus factor.
"I feel that the technical problems involved in matrixing systems at present will be solved. Once the differences are settled between the matrix systems, I think the whole thing will explode." At New York's Record Plant, Shelly Yakus also reports a small volume of quadrasonic work. "People are scared to death. They just don't know which way to go.
"The thing is, if I mix to discrete 4-channels, everything's fine.
Which is what we do, because there is no set system. So, we provide clients with the 4 channel tape, and let them take it from there." Which, for Yakus, appears to be less than satisfactory.
"Which system do you go through? It's up to the producer," he stated. That lack of agreement on a matrixing system makes such a decision questionable at best, and Yakus notes that, with Roy Cicala and Tom Flye, also engineers at the Record Plant, he had appeared on Alex Bennett's radio show and, in talking about engineering, the three men had focused on the question of quadrasonic work. Their consensus was, frankly, that "Mixing for it is just weird. And almost impossible to comment on until a final system is selected." Until then, the field is dangerous, and studio operators and labels alike are running risks in selecting formats.
At New York's AdVantage Sound Studios, Peter Scheiber, patent holder for quadrasonic systems, has been serving as that facility's quadrasonic consultant. And, while Scheiber confesses his own possible prejudices for various systems, he focuses on certain basic demands. "If you're mixing on a matrix system, it's important to monitor through the decoder, to hear precisely what the consumer will hear at home."
As for discrete systems, and discrete records, Scheiber suspects that the RCA disk will encounter some problems, simply because the record's output is six to 10 decibels below standard albums. “If you have a record and you throw it on an a&r man's turntable, it's to your advantage if it's loud. Which may sound a little ridiculous, but it's true." Even though that listener need only increase the volume for the right effect, Scheiber feels that some production people may encounter problems bringing that disk in.
Finally, though, Scheiber sees the issue as one of marketing, and the creation of a significant quadrasonic audience. As for the engineer, his challenge lies in developing a complete awareness of the capabilities of each system. Apart from that, the recording process, in terms of hardware alone, remains a tool for the creation of the aural product.
Once standardization is reached, what will quadrasonic recording represent? Dave Palmer notes that, "It's going to take some time for people to realize that quadrasonic sound isn't going to smack them in the head at first." That, he feels, is more a psychological barrier than an engineering problem, and he discusses the problem of back image contraction, a tendency in perceiving sound common to most listeners, in which rear channel information appears to leak from the sides around the listener.
Simply transferring two channels of information onto four may create problems as well, Palmer says, since further separation of the elements may diminish a piece's impact. With certain kinds of program, the music might suffer. And, Palmer continues, there are existing discrepancies with regard to compatibility. He questioned why companies released both stereo and quadrasonic versions of albums when the quadrasonic disks were supposed to be compatible. "I've concluded that, in many instances, they must not be compatible."
Bill Robinson is more optimistic, and he feels that the potential excitement of quadrasonic recording is great. "Every major company is waiting to see what will happen, and which system will be used. And, at that point, the industry will start developing product."
That, Robinson notes, will be exciting indeed. "It's a new dimension in recording, as they say. And it's what we all try to do: to develop something that is entertaining.”
That entertainment is the real goal, Robinson says, and the technical questions are finally subordinated to the simple problem and promise of quadrasonic sound as a new approach to recording.

I found this article some years back when I was doing some research for one of my D-V liner notes, and it has to be the most frustrating read of all time because it's SO CLOSE to revealing interesting information about bands who may have had early quad mixes done, but it never spills the beans.

Record Plant NYC was one of the first big quad-equipped studios in 1970 or 71 - we know Lennon's Imagine was done there by Roy Cicala thanks to the photos of the master tapes in the book included with the big box set, and Shelly Yakus has credits for two really accomplished quad mixes in 1975 - Derringer's Spring Fever and Edgar Winter's Jasmine Nightdreams - what were these two doing in the intervening years that was (and wasn't) released in quad? There are lots of candidates (Cicala did has engineering credits of the Streisand albums that were released in quad, and Yakus was the engineer on Grand Funk's All the Girls in the World Beware!! and Three Dog Night's Hard Labor - both released in quad without quad remix credits) but you'd love to know for sure.

I wonder if the session logs for a studio like that still exist, it would be fascinating to look through the early-to-mid '70s ones and see what might've been done.
 
Dolby B has nothing to do with surround sound

Yes, my scenario is playback of a matrix quad encoded (compact cassette, maybe 8-track) that is also Dolby B NR encoded but not B NR decoded, IMHO, the lack of Dolby B NR decoding would likely fool the matrix decoder (with or without logic) and cause the matrix decoder to route sounds to the wrong location.

(from 1972 to 1979, all of my Dolby B NR encoded compact cassettes were played back without B NR decoding, I got a cassette deck with Dolby B NR in 1979, I didn't have a Quad system during this time though)


Kirk Bayne
 
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August 5, 1972

DECODERS ARE A
LINK BETWEEN STEREO AND QUADRASONIC SOUND

DECODERS AND ADAPTORS
are for many consumer's the main entry point into the 4-channel market. But it is the high end products rather than the kits that simply enhance stereo that are being pushed by retailers and getting strong consumer action.
With many prominent retailers believing this will be transitional year for
4-channel, decoders and other 4-channel accessories are more important than ever as a tool to introduce the listener to the 4-channel concept at a relatively low cost.
Dealers agree for the most part that the decoder is an easy method, but also a valid one, to demonstrate 4-channel. They also say that the growing 4-channel interest from the average con sumer is helping small speaker and receiver sales.
Particularly important, since most persons interested in 4-channel already own a standard stereo system, retailers believe that it is easier to convert them to 4-channel through decoders than selling them a completely new system.
Columbia's SQ matrixing system appears to be the one retailers are heading towards now, while the Sansui QS system is also doing well. The decoder market is still moving but it is the kit type unit that is suffering.
Another important development is the relatively new "universal' Electro Voice decoder, which will handle the firm's own Stereo-4 and will also decode SQ records.
Among the major firms presently producing decoding devices are: E-V, Masterwork, Lafayette, Metrotec, Sanyo, Sony, Kenwood, Dynaco, Heathkit, Sansui, and Rotel. In addition, all SQ licensees feature the SQ decoding capabilities and many other top firms, both domestic and offshore, are heavily involved in the decoder business.
One other accessory which cannot be overlooked, though it's not a major 4-channel factor yet, is the 4-channel headphone.
Koss is the major firm involved in this.
What are some of the larger retailers doing with decoders and adaptive devices, and where do they feel this equipment is going?
"Decoding devices are going to be very popular this fall," says Jay Schwab of Sam Goody's in New York. "There will be a lot of SQ decoders and a few discrete decoders. We're going to try and feature decoders for all matrix systems. I think this is a transitional year and we're going to sell decoders until there is a decision as to which way 4-channel will go.
"What we are doing, and what we think all retailers should do.” Schwab continues, "is sell decoders and let the consumer know he can convert his standard stereo to 4-channel.
"Other sales will result from the 4-channel move. The speaker manufacturers are in clover now and there is going to be a big flare for smaller speakers to keep the price of equipment down. There will also be a lot of receiver action in the fall. I also expect to see a CD chip like the SQ chip which will cost a few extra dollars to build into the receiver. As I see it, this is going to be a big year in 4-channel accessories and the market is opening up now. We see 20 percent of our business coming in 4-channel or related products.
An audio buyer for a large East Coast mass merchandising chain notes that "decoders are doing nicely.
For those with existing audio equipment, this is the direction they're moving into decoders, extra speakers and receivers in some cases.
"The SQ devices will be the strongest," he adds. "We have handled the smaller kits, such as Dynaco, but SQ seems to have taken over. Consumers are moving into matrixing type systems and want more sophisticated devices.
"We recommend that the consumer enter the 4-channel through adaptors, small speakers and an additional receiver. Let them hear the 4-channel concept and let them get involved in a modest way. Then they can move into a complete system when they feel things have evolved. After all, this whole thing is a bit new to the consumer and there is a lot of contusion."
A number of retailers are using matrix broadcasts from local radio stations to help promote 4-channel, and are tying in adaptors with this.
One note appearing here is the approach to advertising the SQ systems as adaptors rather than the smaller kits.
"We're promoting the SQ unit,” says J.W. Bentley of the Sound Center in the Atlanta, Ga. area. "We have used a 4-channel broadcast from a local station and we find that the SQ approach works more for us than the synthesized approach. And the primary question people are asking when they buy a 2 channel system now is 'can I convert this to 4-chan. nel?' “
Harold Weinberg of Lafayette feels "the two into four approach is a good way to go. This is one fairly simple way for the dealer to get involved with 4-channel and it's a relatively inexpensive way for the consumer. Let the consumer know that there's more in his records than he hears, and that all this information can be brought out through the use of an adaptor. The ambience recovery system is the best way to start, and it's a good way for the dealer to sell extra speakers. Let the consumer know what's available and let him know how easy it is to get into the market."
An audio buyer for a large Midwestern department store feels that decoders are the easiest way to get people into 4-channel because they're easiest to explain and demonstrate.
"From a dealer standpoint, this technique is perfect,” he says. "We do well with the Sansui system and we're also handling the Dynaco unit. This type of phase shift system is economical and gets people into 4-channel.
"Once we do sell an adaptor or decoder," he adds, "we find that people will come back to upgrade their systems. And when we sell a stereo product, we always mention 4-channel and point out the systems they can convert to the configuration if they should want to in the future."
"We are in the process of building," he says. "and I think we'll probably go into 4-channel through adaptors. To prevent obsolescence on our units, we will want product with built-in matrix decoders. We will stay away from the kits."
One dealer who has noticed a slight drop in decoder sales is Manny Nathan of the Arrow Electrorics chain in New York. "Sales of adaptors and decoders were better before June," Nathan says. "It's my opinion that the RCA/JVC/Panasonic announcement of a discrete system slowed things down a bit. Consumers are waiting to see what happens.
"We still do fairly well with decoding units, especially Sony, Sansui, Dynaco and E V. The Dynaco system did extremely well up until three or four months ago, and we found this an excellent way of getting consumers involved in 4-channel. Let them hear the concept before they move into the real thing. At the moment, however, I would much rather see a customer go into 4-channel through a matrixing system than a free-standing adaptor.
He's going to need the extra speakers and the amplifier anyway, so why not use the SQ or QS system now."
 
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...we're also handling the Dynaco unit. This type of phase shift system is economical and gets people into 4-channel.


IMHO, such a missed opportunity - the Hafler/DynaQuad system is a nice "near free lunch of surround sound".

Promoting it more (speaker makers making special speakers + simple passive Hafler adapter as a low cost add on package deal for a stereo system) would have gotten music listeners accustomed to surround sound as the default way of listening to music (it will even provide fake surround sound from the baseband/sum stereo compatible part of CD-4).


Kirk Bayne
 
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August 5, 1972

RETAILING REPORT:
GIVE US MORE 4, MANY STORES CRY; OTHERS AREN'T SO SURE

Ouadrasonic sound is a big word which means a new inventory of equipment and programming to many retailers. The following grass roots sample indicates where many of America's retailers are in the current state of 4-channel awareness.

Miami

Four channel is here to stay, according to Alan Benjamin, owner of Alan's Stereo and Tape Center in North Miami Beach, Florida-with a provision.
"I feel that 4-channel will definitely go-if manufacturers can keep the cost of the equipment within a reasonable price range for the average consumer.
Benjamin claims in all probability he would not have gone into 4 channel if it weren't for the fact that Sanyo has come out with a complete home unit costing $219.95.
“I am not a hi-fi type of store where customers come in and spend $400 or $500," he says.
His swing to 4-channel was created by Sanyo, although Benjamin stocks a few other manufacturers—Pasonic, CTI, a 4-channel receiver and 4-channel deck by Pilot and a few private label speakers including Dynaco and Creative Environment.
Sanyo products are a best seller in his store-due to price, quality and lack of problems with their equipment.
This low price will create sales which heretofore had been limited to 2-channel.
"Now, when an ordinary customer walks into the store-with the intention of buying 2-channel because that's all he can afford, The average person interested in 4-channel needs no high sell sales pitch or lengthy explanations on its complex workings. Most of Benjamin's customers are knowledgeable on the subject and their basic questions are on availability and where they can get what they need.
There is a 4-channel unit set up in the store—a 4-channel receiver and 4 corner speakers and if a customer wishes to hear the sound, Benjamin switches it on for him. He often leaves it playing during rush hours to attract interest. This is particularly effective for wives whose husbands are 4-channel buffs, but who have a hard job convincing their spouses.
"Once the wife hears the sound, they forget about where they're going to put the speakers in order to achieve a certain look in decor," Benjamin says smiling. "And it's really no problem after that."
Other than price, the main problem of 4-channel has been the limited number of disks available. Benjamin has none, but hopes to remedy that in the near future.
"We're stocking more 4-channel tapes all the time-as fast as we can get them," he says. "And I find they're starting to sell much better now. The selection of tapes too has been limited and there isn't too much availability. A lot of times I've ordered them only to be back ordered because the company is out of the ones I want. Even though there is so much 4-channel equipment out, I don't feel tape manufacturers have kept up with the times or taken into consideration the demands of customers. They are going to have to keep increasing the selections if they want 4-chan. nel to go over. I think they are making a sincere effort in this and it shouldn't be too long before more titles are on the market.
Sara Lane

Kansas City

Though hobbled severely by the higher price of hardware and the smaller selection of tapes. National Auto Sound is getting a steady upward sales feedback on 4-channel.
The Kansas City based firm specializes in automotive sound system and presently handles only 2-channel home stereo.
According to Mike Landy, advertising and marketing director.
"We're getting consistently stronger in automotive 4-channel and only wish the software availability would improve. We are forced to tell people there isn't much out yet but the outlook for better selection is promising. That doesn't make it easier to sell.
"Still signposts at our stores point to the same sales configuration on automotive quadrasonic as was experienced on 2-channel.
If the price of hardware drops even a little and the tape selection improves sales will really catch on fire.
"Hardware price is also a rough hurdle. Many young people don't have those extra dollars. As result, the guy who invests in 4-channel is over 30 and has different musical tastes. His tape selection leans to Henry Mancini, the Enoch Light series, Hugo Mon tenegro, and some of the soft stuff released by RCA.
The degree of acceptance of 4-channel in various National Auto stores is in almost direct ratio to the enthusiasm of salesmen for quad, Landy says. Sales go up where salesmen are sold on 4-channel and pitch it enthusiastically. The chain uses demonstration booths in all its stores. Craig and Motorola are the 4-channel brands handled.
In an analysis of the individual who is the best prospect for 4-channel and the actual selling methods, Lady feels that intensive suggestive selling is essential. Few people come into National Auto stores saying "I want 4-channel sound." Instead, a salesman has to lay the groundwork for a sale by suggesting the customer try something new. The top prospect is the individual who is already sold on quality stereo and is wide open to ways of maximizing his music enjoyment. The low end $30 2-channel automotive unit customer is almost a waste of time.
Grier Lowry

Washington

To retailers in this area, quadrasonic sound is variously regarded as a new hope, a headache, a wait-and-see proposition. To some it is a "tremendous" sound, bound to boom, but others ask
"Who needs it?" All of them report "very little customer demand” at this early stage.
They all complain--as in the days of stereo break-in—that manufacturers have not put out nearly enough in promotion and information at consumer levels, and have not put out enough new hits in the quadrasonic recordings. "Create the demand!” is the message. They also accuse manufacturers of overloading retailers with proliferating varieties of disks and tapes. "Things are getting out of hand-the smaller retailer can't possibly keep up with it all.”
Most feel that competing manufacturers will be cutting their own throats if they don't come together and settle on one dominant system for the new 4-channel product. Others say customers don't know matrix from discrete, so this aspect is not too rough on the retailer-unless double inventory becomes necessary in this one line of product, on top of all the others.
Here are some of the comments, often surprisingly frank, from area buyers, including buyers for the two dominant chains, Schwartz Bros.' Harmony Huts, and Waxie Maxie's Quality Music stores. Also reporting are the hard-driving "middle-sized" downtown Super Music City group of three stores, and the one-of-a-kind uptown Disc Shop, run by Dan Danziger and patronized by government VIP's.
Harmony Hut buyer Mary Freeland says "Q" product is as yet a "very limited market, with very little customer demand." She blames some of the slow start on lack of top artists and new recordings in quadrasonic sound. "Capitol has no 'Q' records. We need an expansion in labels carrying the 4-channel sound."
Price doesn't bother the customers--and this is one thing all retailers agreed on. "They feel the extra cost is justified, at least in the beginning, just as they accepted it when stereo came in.
Harmony Huts are keyed to expansion is all ways, and so, even with slight customer demand at this point, they have a 4-channel display set up in their big Columbia Mall store (between Washington and Baltimore in the new Columbia City), so the people can hear the new richer sound. Two other suburban stores have systems set up, said Ms. Freeland, and the smaller stores will have them when their expansion, now underway, is complete.
Bruce Portman, buyer for the Quality Music chain of 12 stores (soon to be 14) would rather hold off somewhat, until the quadrasonic sound comes down to one dominant type.
The whole scene is confusing. It doesn't appeal to the retailer to have to buy two different kinds of coding systems and equipment."
Portman says demand is low, so "Quality Music stores carry the bare essentials in 4-channel sound--the top 20 or big sale items.
Less than one percent of our sales are in Q.” He believes that after two or three years, "when system manufacturers decide on one dominant approach, we can all go in one direction and stock in depth.”
Herb Fribush, co-owner and buyer for Super Music City's three discount stores, indicates he's all set to go heavily into quadrasonic sound as he did into stereo, when the time is right. "The time factor depends on the public demand." Nevertheless, like other area retailers, Fribush feels that the proliferation is seriously getting out of hand: "Only the big chains can afford to invest enough money to carry everything.
Manufacturers are going too slow in putting out "Q” recordings, he feels. Super Music City stores have a system set up for demonstration and a 4-channel recording to let people hear the new sound-but there is not nearly enough selections.
At the Disc Shop on Connecticut Ave. (Washington's counterpart to Fifth Avenue), buyer Nick Framer says they are not selling much 4-channel—and carrying just a few, about 20 LP's and 8-tracks. "There is no 'Q' sound system set up in the store yet, because there is not enough customer demand. We have hardware, but no demonstrating.
Mildred Hall

Charleston

This modest-size market, as it did during the big switch from mono to stereo, is taking a conservative approach to quadrasonic.
Dealers have token stock. Consumers are showing mild interest.
Sales, expectedly, are modest.
"The public is barely becoming aware of this new type of sound here," observes Bernie Connelly, manager of the local Radio Shack. "You have a whole spectrum of awareness, of course.
Some customers know more about the equipment than I do.
We've sold a few units. But most listen to our demonstration unit, find out what the price is, and say something to the effect that the sound isn't quite that much better to justify spending $200 to $300 for the equipment yet."
The Charleston Radio Shack stocks the ElectroVoice-made (for Radio Shack) decoder (on sale recently as $29.95) and the synthesizer add-on unit at $24.95. The Fisher discrete 4-channel system is listed in the chain's catalog.
The decoder is outselling the synthesizer three to one locally,
Connelly says.
Unlike other local dealers, Connelly feels there is enough 4-channel software available to stimulate playback sales.
Ronald McGill, a stereo salesman for Charleston's Galperin Music Company, agrees that the public is still in the dark about 4-channel." He says he sees this time as being the watershed between 2- and 4-channel.
Galberin maintains three demonstration set-ups in its store-two for tapes and one for records. It has not, however, undertaken any special promotional campaign. McGill says the company routinely points out to shoppers how 4-channel can enhance regular
2-channel stereo equipment.
In hardware, Galperin carries Magnavox, at around $350; RCA, $250; and Channel-Master, $239.
Like Connelly and McGill, Electronic Specialty's Bill McCormick concedes that the public is barely aware of quadrasonic. "Only a few hi-fi nuts know anything about it, " McCormick explains, "and most of them are put off by the prices."
McCormick, who is assistant parts manager for Electronic Speciality, believes that his company will keep a low profile in 4-channel merchandising until advertising from outside the area succeeds in whetting local appetites and sharpening local awareness.
Electronic Specialty stocks Dynaco (amp only) at $269: Sherwood, $400 + ; Scott, $400 + : and Sony tape decks at under $200.
In car home combos, Galperin has sold only one such set-up in the past year. Electronic has sold none. This part of the market appears particularly untouched.
Ed Harris

Los Angeles

Major dealers here are guardedly optimistic about 4-channel sales of tape, records and equipment in their market, as customer interest shows a small but steady increase.
Clyde Wallichs of the Wallichs Music City stores says, "We will carry everything that's available. Each of our record departments has a quadrasonic unit which is playing all the time. We find a lot of customer curiosity but still relatively few buyers.”
Jean Hansen, record-tape buyer for Platt Music, which racks the May Co. department stores, says, "Our 4-channel market is with tapes so far, not records. We're stocking most of the RCA and Columbia releases fairly successfully, I think. At least we're selling some 4-channel tapes every day.
The equipment buyer for a department store supplier, who preferred to give his information anonymously, said that discrete tape units in the $200-$300 range make up some 20 percent of his tape player volume. And phonograph systems which can convert to 4-speaker matrix operation are about 8 percent of his sales in that category.
Malcolm Talmich, general manager of Record Rack Service which supplies Discount Records' 10 stores, says, "It's about the same as our open reel sales, 4-channel makes up approximately 1 percent of our tape volume. It's gradually picking up a little. We carry some equipment in the stores, but none that plays 4-chan-nel. Most of the demand for quadrasonic product is in the areas of good music, big name rock artists and some classics.”
Nat Freedland
 
Yes, my scenario is playback of a matrix quad encoded (compact cassette, maybe 8-track) that is also Dolby B NR encoded but not B NR decoded, IMHO, the lack of Dolby B NR decoding would likely fool the matrix decoder (with or without logic) and cause the matrix decoder to route sounds to the wrong location.

(from 1972 to 1979, all of my Dolby B NR encoded compact cassettes were played back without B NR decoding, I got a cassette deck with Dolby B NR in 1979, I didn't have a Quad system during this time though)


Kirk Bayne

I have never been impressed with Dolby B (or anything Dolby, really). It's not supposed to attenuate the highs when used properly but it DOES. Modern Dolby surround? Meh.

I have also always played Dolby encoded cassettes with Dolby off.

Doug
 
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