Lennon 'Gimme Some Truth' 5.1 Audio Levels - DTS vs DD

[Ninecats]

Thanks for this educational info.

 

[b.smith]

Sorry if this is a dumb question but for me to hear the DD 5.1 I would have to:
1. Use an early AVR that pre dates Dolby TrueHD or
2. Rip the audio
I am not going to hear it using my Oppo 103 - correct?

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[EricKalet]

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Legacy AC-3 - yes use an older non-Dolby True HD AVR or rip it.

 

[b.smith]

Legacy AC-3 - yes use an older non-Dolby True HD AVR or rip it.

Thanks Eric.

 

[Guy Robinson]

I find that I play the Atmos (7.1 DTHD in my case) at the same (80DB peaks) volume as the DTS. The DD has to be cranked quite a bit more and to me doesn't sound as good loud as the Atmos does at the 80DB peak level. The Atmos is the best of them all. Even better than when I expand the DTS or DD from 5.1 to 7.1 using Audacity. I don't mind playing at this lower volume as it will help to keep these 67 year old ears in top shape.

 

[himey]

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Did you try using spdif output from Oppo to processor and choosing that input?

 

[b.smith]

Did you try using spdif output from Oppo to processor and choosing that input?

Thanks himey.
Just recently had another look at the Oppo specs and noticed that it outputs DD 5.1 from coax/optical outputs when Dolby TrueHD is selected so will have to try that - will post back after I try it..

 

[ar surround]

I could use a little bit of advice here. As recommended by others, I am trying to rip the lossy 5.1 DD tracks from MakeMKV using DVD AudioExtractor. DVD AudioExtractor gives me the following three choices:

I do not see the lossy DD stream listed. I ripped one track of the "TrueHD (48kHz 6Ch)" layer, but it gives me a 7.1 output which the Oppo 205 cannot handle:

Any suggestions as to why the DD layer is not presented as a choice in DVD AudioExtractor? Thanks.

 

[sjcorne]

I could use a little bit of advice here. As recommended by others, I am trying to rip the lossy 5.1 DD tracks from MakeMKV using DVD AudioExtractor. DVD AudioExtractor gives me the following three choices:

I don't think you can access them with DVDAE. Go into AudioMuxer ("Extract Audio From Blu-Ray) and you should see the lossy AC3 core listed below the Atmos/7.1 lossless stream.

 

[ar surround]

I don't think you can access them with DVDAE. Go into AudioMuxer ("Extract Audio From Blu-Ray) and you should see the lossy AC3 core listed below the Atmos/7.1 lossless stream.

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Thanks. But I'm doing my own workaround. On two tracks that I checked, Channels 7 and 8 of the 7.1 True HD do not have much content. So I mixed those two channels into the surrounds using Audacity. The resultant 5.1 mix, at least on these two songs, sounds just like the Atmos downmixed to 5.1. This way I get to keep the ripped tracks in high res as opposed to AC3.

 

[harync]

Thanks. But I'm doing my own workaround. On two tracks that I checked, Channels 7 and 8 of the 7.1 True HD do not have much content. So I mixed those two channels into the surrounds using Audacity. The resultant 5.1 mix, at least on these two songs, sounds just like the Atmos downmixed to 5.1. This way I get to keep the ripped tracks in high res as opposed to AC3.

If you really want to get the un-butchered 5.1, you'll need to extract the 5.1 core. I'm not familiar with AudioMuxer, but I have extracted the 5.1 core with ff works on a mac. For example, this is the 5.1 core (top) and 7.1 TrueHD (bottom) for Instant Karma where you can see they boosted the amplitude to the max only for the 7.1

 

[himey]

If you really want to get the un-butchered 5.1, you'll need to extract the 5.1 core. I'm not familiar with AudioMuxer, but I have extracted the 5.1 core with ff works on a mac. For example, this is the 5.1 core (top) and 7.1 TrueHD (bottom) for Instant Karma where you can see they boosted the amplitude to the max only for the 7.1
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Technically not a core. It is a separate track. Considering it is different, it would have to be...