Listening to now...in fake Quad!

[kap'n krunch]

Aerosmith- Video Scrapbook Laserdisc-Japanese "pressing"...(the thread where we mentioned LDs got me going)

 

[fredblue]

Robert Plant - Now And Zen
Listening using the Surround Master in 4.1 QS mode.
If I didn't know better, I'd swear it was really QS.

vinylguy4

that reminds me! I still need to pick up the "Nine Lives" box set (has all Plant's music videos remixed in 5.1).

 

[fredblue]

The Vince Guaraldi Trio 9/10
Vince Guaraldi 'In Person' 9/10

Both sound lovely in DPLII Music mode (Panorama off, Dimension 0, Centre Width 7) considering the age of the recordings. The fake quad field holds Guaraldi's piano in the phantom centre along with the snare and hi-hats whilst the double bass gets spread elegantly around.

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does "Centre Width = 7" shut the centre channel off completely on your AVR?

you'll get more than double bass spread if you switch Panorama "On"

 

[inkubuzz]

Just got wowed

Listening to Infected Mushroom - Friends on Mushrooms album, which is basically a trance/dub step bamd. Not my cup of tea but I was curious to try the SM with this music and it sound very good. Track 6 staarts witj a female singer only coming from center channel and then xome two more, one from each rear. My jaw is still om the floor. Really discrete effect from the SM through the whole album

 

[kap'n krunch]

King Crimson - Live at La Riviera, Madrid June 29th, 2000 (downloaded FLACS)...man, they played some HEAVY STUFF!!!

 

[Disclord]

Listening to/watching Abba Gold LD on my THX Runco LD player with synthesized surround via the Fosgate Tate 101A in surround mode and a SMART Theater Systems Circle Surround decoder that the Tate's two front channel outputs feed into for supplying a logic directed center channel and .1LFE. I also have my Denon receiver's DTS ES processing applied across the rear channels to make a Center back. Since my Denon doesn't apply its amazing Audyssey speaker EQ/distance compensation/bass management to the discrete 5.1 inputs, I use an outboard DTS Encoder to encode all outboard decoders and such and feed them into the receiver as DTS, that way I can take advantage of the receivers features - and I believe that DTS at 1.2 Mbps is all but totally transparent - I've run both Mini Disc and 5.1 channel AC-3 at the 228kbps rate (that those first IMAX titles used) and haven't heard the DTS Coherent Acoustics encoder cause any artifacts or unmasking.

 

[kap'n krunch]

Uriah Heep-Demons and Wizards SHM CD

Mark Clarke(Colosseum/Tempest) plays bass and does back. vox on "The Wizard"...Gary Thain rules!!

 

[Disclord]

I'm playing the LaserDisc of Madonna: The Girlie Show on my EAD TheaterVision LD player because it has an amazing digital 3D Motion Adaptive Comb Filter that is adjustable between a standard 3-Line 2D comb filter and the full 2-frame 3D comb filter - there's so much fine color detail in the concert video that it requires a 3D comb filter to eliminate dot crawl and cross-color rainbows on fine pattern areas like Madonna's fish-net stockings. The audio is being decoded by the re-clocked dual Philips Bitstream DA converters and filtered with Pioneer's cool Legato Link Conversion which add's back missing high frequencies above 20kHz that get filtered out during the analog to digital conversion. That's all in the player and I have the player connected to my Hughes AK-500 SRS processor with the Center control at its normal position and the Space control turned up slightly to widen the image a bit. Then the SRS processed sound is being synthesized to 270 degree surround via my Fosgate Tate II 101A's Surround mode. The SRS combined with the Tate is a really great combination because it totally eliminates the gaps that can occur between the rear channels and the front L/R channels. And since SRS (well, the original SRS that only the actual Hughes units employed) applies Head Related Transfer Functions to the signal in an adaptive manner - so they can't overpower the mono components of the signal - the room seems HUGE, like its twice the size and all the speakers have been moved back by 10 feet or so.

i have the DVD of this LaserDisc and it has a fully discrete AC-3 soundtrack mixed from the 48 track original concert recording, and while its a good, discrete surround mix, I by far prefer the 'fake' surround created by the Fosgate Tate combined with original SRS processing. Even the Dolby Stereo downmix of the DVD run through the Tate sounds better than the discrete mix. This kind of thing is one of the reasons I like SQ - and SQ Stereo-to-Surround Synthesis - so much; by pre-processing the original stereo signal you can create surround sound that sounds better than the discrete original and also bring out background sounds and small details in the mix that are otherwise masked. And I prefer SQ's surround synthesis, as done by the Tate, over QS synthesis - I have a QRX-6500 receiver with the Type B Vario-Matrix and I've heard the QSD-1 as well as the QSD-1000, and in all cases, while the basic "effect" is the same between the Tate and the full QS Vario-Matrix surround synthesis mode, the QS system allows far too much of the center front vocals to be reproduced from the rear speakers, creating that awful 'in your head' effect that non-logic SQ was notorious for. QS just allows too much CF bleed into the rears. It can never seem to reproduce a solid CF vocal that's firmly up front. And the QS Vario-Matrix processing on QS encoded recordings creates side to side wander of the CF vocals and instruments due to the fact that standard QS requires side to side logic enhancement... Something SQ does not - SQ's logic requirements are all from front/back which we are less sensitive to by a factor of 10.

I bought a new in the box Desper HTMS-2510 Spatializer processor on eBay last week for 9 dollars and it will be here tomorrow. Since the Spatializer 3D audio process was used on many, many albums, and still is being used, I can't wait to hear how the stand alone home unit enhances SQ encoded recordings or stereo recordings prior to surround synthesis. The unit has a built in feature that can detect if the recording has been processed with the pro Spatializer system during recording or mastering and it turns off the Spatializer processing for as long as it detects the pre processed signal. I recall reading in Mix Magazine that Spatializer and SRS worked very well together, so that combined with the Tate will be interesting to hear.

One thing I'm VERY, VERY excited about is I managed to put enough money together and I have bought an Involve Surround Master SQ decoder - well I should say QS/SQ decoder since it does both - it shipped today and from what I understand should take about 2 weeks to get here. I simply can't wait to hear it - and while it doesn't have a stereo to 270 degree surround synthesis mode like the Tate, there is a simple way to adjus the settings on the Tate and feed its front outputs into the Involve Surround Master SQ decoder and get the exact same 270 surround synthesis that the Fosgate Tate provides. So I won't lose the fabulous surround synthesis when using the multi-band Surround Master SQ decoder.

BTW, I have a copy of an article on how to make a stereo to surround synthesizer for SQ. it even has a switch on it to produce 180 degree enhancement or full surround 270 enhancement. Its the same circuit that the Fosgate Tate 101A and Audionics Space & Image Composer used and was invented by Ben Bauer in request to letters written to CBS complaining that SQ had no synthesis mode like the QS Vario-Matrix decoders did. Anyway, the circuit is built around the Motorola SQ Matrix Decoder IC, which you can buy easily on eBay for 10 bucks, and the article has a full image of the printed circuit board that can be used to etch your own board - it also lists all the other parts required and where they go on the board. Once built, you can use it as a stand alone processor to encode stereo recordings into full surround SQ encoded stereo and record it to CD or your iPod, etc... If anyone is interested in it, I'll scan it and make a PDF so you can build one. I'd think Surround Master SQ decoder users would be really interested and for someone who knows how to make circuit boards, it might be a nice little side project to make a few to sell here on QQ. When the article came out you could buy it all as a kit for so,etching like $15 or pre-built, just missing a box to put it in, for $24. Like I said, the SQ IC's are cheap and readily available on eBay and it doesn't use a lot of parts, so should be easy to make if you know how to make circuit boards.

i also have an article, like the synthesizer article has the circuit board tracing image, and its to build a Full Wave-Matching Logic w/Front-Back Logic decoder based on the 3 Motorola SQ IC's. like the SQ matrix chip, the other two IC's used for the VCA's and Wave-Matching are easy to get on ebay for less than $13 or so for each IC. I'll scan and make PDF's if anyone wants a copy.

well, as usual I kinda went off and ran too long, so I'll stop writing before I make all of you mad at me. Back to The Girlie Show in amazing Fosgate Tate and SRS Surround Sound!

 

[kap'n krunch]

(I apologize for repeating myself, but if you like electronic music and have never heard this one, you NEED IT, to me it's his freakin' MASTERPIECE)

Synergy "Cords" original LP pressed in clear vinyl with gatefold sleeve featuring Mr. Fast in front of the Twin T*wers...CREEPYYYYYY!!!!

OK, this one is basically a Surround mix.
I have other LPs from him, but this one just SHINES and GLEAMS compared to the rest (ERFRO, Sequencer, Games, etc)!!!!
Maybe cause it's a first pressing but , man...there's plenty of stuff happening in the rears....

I just realized that the one on HDtracks is a RE-MIX so , maybe all the "faux surround" magic is not there anymore!!! (I talked to Mr. Fast himself and he swore it wasn't QS encoded and that it was all the effects he used during mixdown that gave it the Surround "flavor")

Anyway, if you can get your hands on this pressing , do so immediately ad just run it thru DPLII...you'll SWEAR it's a Surround mix

 

[kap'n krunch]

Yes- TFTO UK LP rip at 96/24

 

[LizardKing]

The Cheerful Insanity of Giles Giles and Fripp... Proto King Crimson..... Works really well via the Surround Master
Gentle Giant - The Power and the Glory - I wish we had some more GG in (true) surround.
Tiki - Past, Present, Future

 

[HomerJAU]

Lou Reed's Transformer remixed to 4.0 using Foobar2000 and surround plug-in from CD rip to FLAC. A lot of stuff coming from rears. Nice full range recording. One of my better sounding CDs.

Needs a bit more bass. I wonder if there is a 5.1 Foobar plug-in, but this is playing from my media player - should listen to the CD with surround post processing. Getting lazy these days...

Great album regardless of format!

 

[himey]

SRS Circle Surround in 4.0 10/10

 

[LizardKing]

Lorde - Pure Heroine - LP -> FLAC -> Surround Master :banana:

I had to celebrate her Grammys - IMHO she deserved it - not like the Surround Sound category :howl

 

[kap'n krunch]

Yes- The gates of Delirium live in 2000 (wow!!!!) thanks to a member....

and
Pat Metheny-Bright Size Life

 

[kap'n krunch]

Love Unlimited Orchestra -Love's theme 45..great decoding in DPL!

Keane- Strangeland LP

both in 96/24...

(ClickRepair RULES!!!!!)

 

[Franklin]

Right this very second: Laterns on the Lake "Gracious Tide, Take Me Home."

DPL II Music
Central Image 0.0
CT width 7
Dimension -3
Panarama on

Nice.

 

[Franklin]

(ClickRepair RULES!!!!!)

Does declicking introduce some phase shifting?

 

[kap'n krunch]

Does declicking introduce some phase shifting?

Not that I know of....
If you buy it (worth every penny), the creator Brian Davies, will answer any question.....

 

[Franklin]

I've used it in the past - I was impressed. Adobe Audition seems to do a decent enough job of declicking for me. I've found audacity good for doing individual selected repairs, but the declicking there is not very good.