New Surround Master coming! Its a jump to the left and a step to the right

[J. PUPSTER]

4.1 vs. 5.1: Is that simply phantom center vs. actual center? Or am I asking this question just to see you hit 1000 posts!!!

The woofer band limited output is always on, but the main outputs are full range

Woof, Woof
Actually, my main system has a sub (ironically) it's an AR-S112PS.

What I'm working on is another system in my home office with the new SM at the core. I'll have an older receiver, four speakers only (no sub), my retired Denon 3910, a Technics turntable with Rotel pre-amp, a Teac A-2340 R-R, (maybe an Akai Q8 player). This is the room that has my main computer in it also; for perhaps conversions and upmixing etc.
All of this just to play with the new Surround Master

 

[Glenshoreham]

Actually I demand that you visit us (not today as I am reworking the studio monitor- it really is worth hearing!) Say any time next week 2 Shearson Crescent Mentone

Cheers, Charlie, that’d be brilliant. I think Tuesday or Thursday could be alright for me to sneak away from work early. (I can stay late another day to balance things out, heheheh. ) I’ll certainly be in touch, as my work schedule for next week becomes clearer. Thanks again!

 

[Glenshoreham]

I'm Jealous. Would love to meet the guys and hear their surround system.

Thanks. I promise to do my best to be worthy, as something of a newbie. I wonder ... could Involve Audio be the jewel that re-crowns Melbourne as the world’s most liveable city?

 

[ar surround]

Thanks. I promise to do my best to be worthy, as something of a newbie. I wonder ... could Involve Audio be the jewel that re-crowns Melbourne as the world’s most liveable city?

We visited Melbourne last year. Some local friends took us on the Colonial Tramcar Restaurant for dinner. Great town. Certainly Involve Audio could help Melbourne be crowned as the world's most surround-friendly city.

 

[chucky3042]

Is that the final, final mod on the Involve SM?
Are you still on track to ship these units, end of March early April?

Sorry to keep on asking..just sooooooo impatient!!

Probably and yes

 

[karlkastner]

Thanks. I promise to do my best to be worthy, as something of a newbie. I wonder ... could Involve Audio be the jewel that re-crowns Melbourne as the world’s most liveable city?

Maybe so. Be sure to play Bon era AC/DC through the SM. Stunning!

 

[chucky3042]

Hi Chucky, not sure I'd have done it that way but it seems perfectly OK to me.
Perhaps your website could do a slightly better job in explaining what the unit does (and how well it does it!) and how to use it. In particular there seems to be no mention of the legacy QS and SQ decoding capabilities (and the connection diagram still shows a drawing of the old V1 box). I know you are resource limited so this is only an observation not a complaint!

I have passed your comments on to our marketing "genius's"

 

[chucky3042]

We visited Melbourne last year. Some local friends took us on the Colonial Tramcar Restaurant for dinner. Great town. Certainly Involve Audio could help Melbourne be crowned as the world's most surround-friendly city.

Sorry I am a MONO man now......I seen the light!

 

[quattro64]

So no involve mono button then? Chucky has me confused

 

[Circular Vibes]

Sorry I a a MONO man now......I seen the light!

I prefer the line from The Monks "Love In Stereo"where he is more a mono man inside

 

[Soundfield]

Dear quaddies

After a heap of chatting, yelling, abuse, crying and irrational behaviour we have finally settled on wording on the front and rear panels (I lost- hate democracy)

I did listen to comments that just having INVOLVE decode mode made it less obvious that we actually decode QS (and others). The compromise is that we list the actual decoded formats on the rear panel. Hope you guru's agree.

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Chucky - I know I might be over thinking this, but it has just occurred to me that the rear panel marking isn’t entirely unambiguous. If I select a 5.1 mode all is well, since Centre and Sub outputs are grouped together in a box under the legend “5.1”. But if I select a 4.1 mode then strictly, if I were hard of understanding (!) there appears to be no 4.1 Sub output! Why not just do away with the “5.1” box altogether and let the “C” and “Sub” sockets stand alone? Actually the same argument applies to the front panel where, if I just read the legend, there seems to be no knob for controlling the Sub level in 4.1 mode!

 

[chucky3042]

Chucky - I know I might be over thinking this, but it has just occurred to me that the rear panel marking isn’t entirely unambiguous. If I select a 5.1 mode all is well, since Centre and Sub outputs are grouped together in a box under the legend “5.1”. But if I select a 4.1 mode then strictly, if I were hard of understanding (!) there appears to be no 4.1 Sub output! Why not just do away with the “5.1” box altogether and let the “C” and “Sub” sockets stand alone? Actually the same argument applies to the front panel where, if I just read the legend, there seems to be no knob for controlling the Sub level in 4.1 mode!

Hmmmm

I will pass your comments onto everyone.....my head is rattling!

 

[edisonbaggins]

I don't want to bog down this thread, but I've never received a satisfying answer for how easy this thing is to use/connect.
I primarily use a Blu-ray player for content, but I also have a turntable. Can the surround master be used with both?
It receives its stereo source from what?
Feel free to pm me if you don't want to bog down this thread.
Congrats, Involve team!

 

[chucky3042]

I don't want to bog down this thread, but I've never received a satisfying answer for how easy this thing is to use/connect.
I primarily use a Blu-ray player for content, but I also have a turntable. Can the surround master be used with both?
It receives its stereo source from what?
Feel free to pm me if you don't want to bog down this thread.
Congrats, Involve team!

Hi Sorry about the delayed response.....missed your question.

Does your Blu-ray have RCA left/ right summated outputs? If so it plugs directly into the SM. If you have a turntable, I presume you have a pre amp or your amp has a pre out?

Or send me the model numbers of your gear

Regards

Chucky

 

[edisonbaggins]

Hi Sorry about the delayed response.....missed your question.

Does your Blu-ray have RCA left/ right summated outputs? If so it plugs directly into the SM. If you have a turntable, I presume you have a pre amp or your amp has a pre out?

Or send me the model numbers of your gear

Regards

Chucky

You're a prince, Charles!

Yes, my TT has RCA L/R and I use a preamp with it, which has the same.
As for my Blu-ray players, they are a Sony x800 and an oppo bdp-103. I might be out of luck there. But, let's say there is a bdp with summed RCA outs, you then get some kind of 2 to 1 Y cables or something?

As for the SM outs, those go to the AUX on an AVR?

Thanks for any enlightenment!

 

[skindzier]

Baggy, there's a bunch of ways to slay it. If your AVR has RCA Zone stereo RCA outputs and RCA multichannel inputs, you could run the zone output to the SM and the output from the SM to the multichannel inputs. You could also look at switches, etc.

 

[Sonik Wiz]

Involve used to have a good hook up diagram on their website using the SM V1 but is MIA since the website update. Perhaps they bring it back because it seems there's a lot of confusion when there shouldn't be.

In as few of words as possible the SM needs a line level 2 ch input as a source. That could be a cassette deck, a TT pre-amp combo or 2 ch out from your receiver. It needs at least 4 analog (optionally 6) analog inputs as 1 group on your receiver. By that I mean a reciever might have multiple 2 ch analog inputs but it needs a single 4/6 ch input. The SM does not do SPDIF/HDMI/or USB anything. Analog in analog out. Just like a QSD-2, Fosgate Tate, etc etc.

If someone wants advice as to how it will hook up with their specific receiver, then be sure to be specific about your receiver model when you post.

 

[The56Kid]

I guess I'll admit I'm not sure what this device's use really is. Is it to provide a faux MC remix from a stereo source (ala what the common DSPs like Dolby Pro Logic II do) or is it a decoder for classic quad sources/software?

 

[Sonik Wiz]

I guess I'll admit I'm not sure what this device's use really is. Is it to provide a faux MC remix from a stereo source (ala what the common DSPs like Dolby Pro Logic II do) or is it a decoder for classic quad sources/software?

It is for decoding legacy QS/SQ material & the new Involve encode which is based on QS. It is for taking 2 ch stereo material, whether it is music or movies, and synthesizing into a surround sound experience.

SM V2

 

[Soundfield]

I guess I'll admit I'm not sure what this device's use really is.

Is it to provide a faux MC remix from a stereo source (ala what the common DSPs like Dolby Pro Logic II do) ?

Yes, but "faux" is too disparaging a term for the surround extraction this unit achieves. It is much more sophisticated than than DPLII.

or is it a decoder for classic quad sources/software?

Yes, it is that as well.

(Sorry Sonik - looks as though my answer overlapped with yours!)