Pink Floyd The Wall in 5.1

[mutant_matt]

I suspect it is burred in the original monster Early Years thread somewhere.... I wish I'd saved a copy of the URL at that point to refer back to!

I WILL try and find it again if I can... (hopefully someone else will beat me to it or knows where to find it directly!)

I have the "before" and (obvs) "after" so perhaps I can remind myself with Audacity...?

I haven't found the original post, but, it's fairly obvious comparing the wave forms in Audacity. By playing/trying to re-create what I did, a 3dB hike from the moment just after the phrase "cut you into little pieces", there is a slight dip/gap in the wave form, boost from there to the end of the track 3dB to get back the "missing" dynamics of the track. Then fade the 3dB hike back to original at the end of the track, where it's just wind noise anyway...

HTH! (I will still try to find the original post, I just followed someone else's instructions who knew what they were doing... )

(it would appear I did this on 5th June 2017 so the post we're looking for is probably just a little bit older than that...)

 

[ssully]

Obscured By Clouds was my second Floyd album (on cassette) I love it as well, first one I got was Ummagumma.

Which btw is Steven Wilson's choice for PF album he'd most like to remix.

 

[mutant_matt]

I haven't found the original post, but, it's fairly obvious comparing the wave forms in Audacity. By playing/trying to re-create what I did, a 3dB hike from the moment just after the phrase "cut you into little pieces", there is a slight dip/gap in the wave form, boost from there to the end of the track 3dB to get back the "missing" dynamics of the track. Then fade the 3dB hike back to original at the end of the track, where it's just wind noise anyway...

HTH! (I will still try to find the original post, I just followed someone else's instructions who knew what they were doing... )

(it would appear I did this on 5th June 2017 so the post we're looking for is probably just a little bit older than that...)

Found it. From this thread:
https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/fo...d-the-early-years-1965-1972.22394/post-318070
The difference is it looks like I left the centre channel as is (skherbeck recommends lowering the centre by 3dB to help offset the boosted fron pair). I just boosted the front stereo pair by 3dB as I already mentioned above. That post from skherbeck was in response to JimFishEye talking about the strange dynamics from that point in the track onwards (and what the "fix" was).

I am happy with the results and haven't looked back!

HTH!

 

[himey]

I got a chance to play with Meddle last night. I used a sound meter on my phone (not terribly accurate, but it was there and I was lazy) to match between the two as best you can with 2 different mixes. Surround usually needs a boost compared to 2ch and this wasn't an exception. I ended up with it 2dB louder for the 5.1. The drums before the "One of these days" line peaked roughly .5 dB higher on the 5.1. The line itself was so close I couldn't say which was louder. In my setup the mains are crossed over at 50Hz to the subs and the subs are active when playing the 2ch.

Subjectively to me the 5.1 is hands down more immersive and detailed. My tower speakers do a very good job creating a wide and detailed soundstage with 2ch, but with Meddle it wasn't close to the immersive mix to me. But it's just an opinion. People's rooms are different. Equipment different. Or simply the 2ch could just suit their tastes better.

No matter where you land on which is better, it was a fun experiment.

For that particular part of that song, I like the Quadraphonic version of the Live in Pompeii.

 

[DrKlahn]

For that particular part of that song, I like the Quadraphonic version of the Live in Pompeii.

It was mainly just to compare the dynamics between the 2ch and 5.1 of that song on Meddle. Of course after reading the last few posts, it's the portion after I was scrutinizing that is the problem area. So, while the experiment was fun it wasn't focused on where it should've been. At some point I'll compare the two from the point after the "One of these days" line and see if it's worth pulling into Audacity and boosting it in my setup. At least with @mutant_matt post I know the solution, so that's a big help.

 

[AllAboutTheSound]

I suspect it is burred in the original monster Early Years thread somewhere.... I wish I'd saved a copy of the URL at that point to refer back to!

I WILL try and find it again if I can... (hopefully someone else will beat me to it or knows where to find it directly!)

I have the "before" and (obvs) "after" so perhaps I can remind myself with Audacity...?

Open the file in a daw. I use audacity but anything will do I think. Zoom into the mid section right after the vocal (can't remember precise positioning but it's easy to figure it out) and highlight from that point to the end of the track. This of course works on stereo and multichannel mixes as well, and mono for that matter. Select AMPLIFY and increase +3db. That's about it.

 

[ssully]

Found it. From this thread:
https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/fo...d-the-early-years-1965-1972.22394/post-318070
The difference is it looks like I left the centre channel as is (skherbeck recommends lowering the centre by 3dB to help offset the boosted fron pair). I just boosted the front stereo pair by 3dB as I already mentioned above. That post from skherbeck was in response to JimFishEye talking about the strange dynamics from that point in the track onwards (and what the "fix" was).

I am happy with the results and haven't looked back!

HTH!

skherback said he lowered the center *section* by 3db (not sure why he did that, it sounds fine to me), not just the center channel. He also raised the rest of the track by 3dB:

I loaded this track into Audacity, lowered the center section by 3 dB (which has an awesome mixing effect where the bass bounces all over the room), and raised the level of the remainder of the song by 3dB (where the band kicks in after the vocals)

 

[ssully]

Open the file in a daw. I use audacity but anything will do I think. Zoom into the mid section right after the vocal (can't remember precise positioning but it's easy to figure it out) and highlight from that point to the end of the track. This of course works on stereo and multichannel mixes as well, and mono for that matter. Select AMPLIFY and increase +3db. That's about it.

the vocal ends 3:43

 

[ssully]

Which btw is Steven Wilson's choice for PF album he'd most like to remix.

...though throwing the original into a good upmixer works fine for me.

 

[mutant_matt]

Open the file in a daw. I use audacity but anything will do I think. Zoom into the mid section right after the vocal (can't remember precise positioning but it's easy to figure it out) and highlight from that point to the end of the track. This of course works on stereo and multichannel mixes as well, and mono for that matter. Select AMPLIFY and increase +3db. That's about it.

Don't forget to slide it back down by the matching -3dB at the end so the wind seamlessly is at the same level as it gaplessly segues into the next track...

I apparently didn't feel the need to give the 2.0 the same treatment, can't remember why. Might revisit that with some back to backs, in case I decide to do the same to that. The 2.0 is pretty punchy on my system, but I love the extra energy of the 5.1, especially with the "fix"!!

 

[Kodaline]

If I could pick what I wanted, I'd like a set of SACDs that had a 5.1 mix of the Wall studio album, a 5.1 mix of Is There Anybody Out There, and the demos, in surround if possible. The original version of Young Lust needs to be in there. Id also like a Blu Ray of the Wall movie, multichannel, with everything in there (they can do something with the Hey You footage). I'd like them to put When The Tigers Broke Free into the studio album. They can put it where it goes in the movie, it splits up the first parts of bricks in the wall better. I also think they should put What Should We Do Now in there instead of Empty Spaces. They can sell all this in a box that has a nice bottom, a handle on the top, and the sides are white concrete stucco in the shape of one of the bricks.

I'd buy three.

 

[bookofsaturdays]

What Should We Do Now in there instead of Empty Spaces.

This. They need to restore What Shall We Do Now into the album as it was intended. The lyrics for it were printed on the vinyl inner sleeve as it was omitted last minute in favor of Empty Spaces. I absolutely love the “Shall we get into fights, leave the lights on, drop bombs” section of the song, it rocks so hard.

Edit: I forgot to mention that it includes one of Nick Mason’s finest performances, what an insane player. His playing on the Wall is engrained in my mind. I can pretty much recall every single drum fill on the entire album.

 

[jimfisheye]

This. They need to restore What Shall We Do Now into the album as it was intended. The lyrics for it were printed on the vinyl inner sleeve as it was omitted last minute in favor of Empty Spaces. I absolutely love the “Shall we get into fights, leave the lights on, drop bombs” section of the song, it rocks so hard.

Edit: I forgot to mention that it includes one of Nick Mason’s finest performances, what an insane player. His playing on the Wall is engrained in my mind. I can pretty much recall every single drum fill on the entire album.

My favorite track on the whole thing by quite a lot!
Ended up listening to more live recordings to be able to hear it. The dual drumming on some of the tracks in the live shows was pretty badass sounding too.

Anyone ever figure out if that fx reel was real? Someone looking to take a deep dive into the live shows could be mighty interested in something like that. Since we're certainly not going to see ITAOT mixed in quad anytime soon or probably ever. I'd buy 3 of your produced version of that box set too @Kodaline! It would set nicely next to my version of Dark Side featuring a new 12 channel mix by Alan Parsons (a real 12 channel mix!), discrete quad mix of the Wembly show (with fully restored fx reel from the opening), bonus 6 or 12 channel album remixes by Guthrie and Jackson, and maybe Roger's new thing as a bonus track.

 

[Kodaline]

I should clarify on the Kodaline Box Set of The Wall, I would put "Tigers" in entirety in the studio album where "Tigers Part 2" is in the movie, ie after Bricks 1 and before Goodbye Blue Sky. I do very much like the "isn't this where / we came in" and the 17 or so dead seconds before In the Flesh? fires up, so I would not want to lead an expanded studio album with "Tigers 1." While I respect the hell out of Bob Geldof, I would have really liked to hear Waters sing to the brass band in the movie's In The Flesh as a bonus track.

 

[JulesRules]

after Bricks 1 and before Goodbye Blue Sky

Now I'm confused. But I'm not a big fan of "Tigers" anyway. I do like the suggestion of including "What Shall We Do Now" and the proper beginning of "Young Lust", as it was done live. There are other cut parts like the first verse of "The Show Must Go On" and I think perhaps a repetition in "Run Like Hell".

 

[himey]

I hope they don't screw with it...
Bonus tracks, sure.

 

[JediJoker]

I hope they don't screw with it...
Bonus tracks, sure.

Roger screwed with The Final Cut for the 2004 20th anniversary edition, so I wouldn't put it past him to do the same with The Wall.

 

[DuncanS]

Roger screwed with The Final Cut for the 2004 20th anniversary edition, so I wouldn't put it past him to do the same with The Wall.

Surely he couldn't have made it (The Final Cut) any worse than it already is Strangely no matter how many times I listen to it (I bought it the day it was released) I still don't like it!

 

[key_wiz]

I hope they don't screw with it...
Bonus tracks, sure.

I’m sure that for every person who wants the track list changed there would be 10 others who would complain about it.

Not to mention that no matter how they changed it there would be people complaining that they should have done it differently

So I agree. Put all the other stuff in as bonus tracks and let people re-sequence however-they-wish if they are so inclined.

 

[Bill B]

This time there should be a marble for each character,,, mother, teacher, wife, judge, etc..