Rhino Quadio - Batch #8 Speculation

[J. PUPSTER]

La Ruche/To Kill a Sunrise is owned by Smithsonian Folkways. I corresponded with the research staff at the Folklife Center a couple of years ago to see if they could scour the archives for a) the quad master tapes for To Kill a Sunrise and/or b) any production notes that might offer insight into Mimaroglu's quad mixing philosophy. Unfortunately their searches came up empty. Their only recommendation was to try to track down Tom Dwyer, the mastering engineer. I had no luck with that.

In this post from a decade ago, @steelydave actually listed three Finnadar CD-4s (and possibly Q8?) for which Mimaroglu almost certainly did the quad mix: Eric Saltzman, Wiretap; George Flynn/John Cage, Wound/Winter Music; and Columbia-Princeton Electronic Music Center. AoQ discussed his research into the latter album in this thread:
https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/fo...mbia-princeton-electronic-music-center.13152/

I haven't heard the Flynn/Cage CD-4; but from what I'm hearing on this YT video, pretty sure it's not gonna be a Fire-Brand title for Rhino Quadio. Even if they got wild with the mix and threw the Piano all around the channels; but maybe for a few passionate Quad collectors here, IDK...
could be mistaken; do it Rhino, and let's find out 'K

 

[mandrix]

I haven't heard the Flynn/Cage CD-4; but from what I'm hearing on this YT video, pretty sure it's not gonna be a Fire-Brand title for Rhino Quadio. Even if they got wild with the mix and threw the Piano all around the channels; but maybe for a few passionate Quad collectors here, IDK...
could be mistaken; do it Rhino, and let's find out 'K

I recognize that artwork.....lol.

 

[jefe1]

Well I still hope/maintain that a two fer of Varese Equatorial and Percussion Music from Nonesuch would be of interest and sell well at least here.

 

[nikomen]

Gorilla, Diamond Girl. Need I say more

 

[gvl_guy]

Gorilla, Diamond Girl. Need I say more

And Atlantic Crossing!!

 

[ghalteman]

Maybe Rhino can pull out the stops and do the triple Atlantic Q8 of Emerson Lake and Palmer - "Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends Live". They never did a CD-4 of that. It was on crummy Ampex Q8's. The record label was Manticore, an Atlantic subsidiary.

 

[ghalteman]

And Atlantic Crossing!!

Big vote for Atlantic Crossing. Rod Stewart needs money for his young wife.

 

[nikomen]

ELP Welcome Back would be awesome!!!

 

[BillSamm1]

I'm certain that others have thought this, but other labels MUST be watching us audio fans rabidly gobble up every Quad or Multichannel release that is released, nearly regardless of price. You'd think that by now, whoever has the rights to old multichannel tapes (and/or the ability to make new MC mixes) by any artist on every label would be gearing up and striking while the iron is hot. I'm specifically looking at Sony/CBS and ABC/Dunhill. I'm guessing that rights & permissions are the biggest factors next to manufacturing costs. Are they waiting until the WB Quadio program exhausts its vintage Quad inventory? What's your take on this? Thanks.

 

[Chronic Quadraphonic]

I think our numbers are almost insignificant in the balance book of these large corporations.

 

[Bill B]

I'm certain that others have thought this, but other labels MUST be watching us audio fans rabidly gobble up every Quad or Multichannel release that is released, nearly regardless of price. You'd think that by now, whoever has the rights to old multichannel tapes (and/or the ability to make new MC mixes) by any artist on every label would be gearing up and striking while the iron is hot. I'm specifically looking at Sony/CBS and ABC/Dunhill. I'm guessing that rights & permissions are the biggest factors next to manufacturing costs. Are they waiting until the WB Quadio program exhausts its vintage Quad inventory? What's your take on this? Thanks.

It is hard to believe that in these days of corporations struggling that they would pass up revenue streams that are basically waiting on the shelf. So maybe @Chronic Quadraphonic is right.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Maybe Rhino can pull out the stops and do the triple Atlantic Q8 of Emerson Lake and Palmer - "Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends Live". They never did a CD-4 of that. It was on crummy Ampex Q8's. The record label was Manticore, an Atlantic subsidiary.View attachment 113660

I agree that ELP would be fan-tastic to have ......but ELP is not with Rhino WEA any longer .

They are a Sony product.

 

[Q-Eight]

It is hard to believe that in these days of corporations struggling that they would pass up revenue streams that are basically waiting on the shelf. So maybe @Chronic Quadraphonic is right.

And yet over the last few years, record companies have been handing out literal BILLIONS to buy music catalogs from Paul Simon, Bob Dylan, and a plethora of classic artists who swore they'd never sell-out. So, the music industry has money.... but their income doesn't come from putting out music anymore. It's all about the rights today. Because why spend the money recording an artist, pressing music into a physical format, selling at a store or online to create revenue *OR* just sell the rights to use older music to people who want to use it and not bother with recording/distributing/etc?

It's just ironic that for most of the music industries' existence, they didn't give two-s***s about their back catalog, master tapes, multitracks, etc..... but today; that's where the money is.

 

[mandrix]

It's amazing how many "old" songs are incorporated into commercial ads these days. That has to be a sizable revenue.
There were a few visionaries like Clive Davis on the label side of things. These days I have no clue nor inspiration to give a rat's ass as it seems to all be calculations on the bottom line. Maybe was ever thus, I suppose. Business gonna be business and slim profit margins don't excite the corporate suits.

 

[Bill_in_Cle]

I hope we soon get a Quadio of War's Live [(Complete), United Artist [2 LP] UA-DA1930-P (Q8)] because the recently released "War, Live in Japan 1974" is a terrific album! Having a 2LP live set on 1 bluray would be great.

 

[JediJoker]

Maybe Rhino can pull out the stops and do the triple Atlantic Q8 of Emerson Lake and Palmer - "Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends Live". They never did a CD-4 of that. It was on crummy Ampex Q8's. The record label was Manticore, an Atlantic subsidiary.View attachment 113660

I don't think Rhino/Atlantic have retained any rights to the ELP catalogue. Manticore was the band's own imprint, and distributed by different labels in different territories. To the best of my knowledge, Rhino hasn't released any ELP since the '90s.

 

[boxhead]

I don't think Rhino/Atlantic have retained any rights to the ELP catalogue. Manticore was the band's own imprint, and distributed by different labels in different territories. To the best of my knowledge, Rhino hasn't released any ELP since the '90s.

Well the 2000 DVD-A of BSS was a Rhino release, but by the time they got to the 2008 SACD release of same it came out on Universal.

 

[JediJoker]

Well the 2000 DVD-A of BSS was a Rhino release, but by the time they got to the 2008 SACD release of same it came out on Universal.

Right! I missed that one. I believe that was the last Rhino release of any ELP album (or material).

 

[gvl_guy]

And yet over the last few years, record companies have been handing out literal BILLIONS to buy music catalogs from Paul Simon, Bob Dylan, and a plethora of classic artists who swore they'd never sell-out. So, the music industry has money.... but their income doesn't come from putting out music anymore. It's all about the rights today. Because why spend the money recording an artist, pressing music into a physical format, selling at a store or online to create revenue *OR* just sell the rights to use older music to people who want to use it and not bother with recording/distributing/etc?

It's just ironic that for most of the music industries' existence, they didn't give two-s***s about their back catalog, master tapes, multitracks, etc..... but today; that's where the money is.

A lot of those purchases I think are more for licensing those songs for commercial purposes. Using a Paul Simon song to promote a beer. Or every time a radio station or stream plays the song, they get a penny. Maybe a little to reissue vinyl, but even that's not very significant.

I TRULY believe the multichannel program at Rhino is solely because of the people at Rhino. They believe in it. They (especially FR) see the demand - as meager as it might be for the bottom line. They can say "it's pulling in a little revenue" so the higher ups let it happen. If Sony or UMG had folks like that, we'd be incredibly happy and likely more broke. But that's what it would take. People within the company.

 

[John Svensson]

Who has the ABC catalogue.....Sony also? Croce's Greatest would be nice.