Rolling Stones Goats Head Soup Deluxe Edition (with 5.1 & Dolby Atmos mixes!)

[J. PUPSTER]

My post #603 up-thread has now been edited to reflect the correct DAW and 7.x speaker relationship.

 

[sjcorne]

I had mentioned earlier that surround treatment of "Dancing With Mr. D." is pretty disappointing compared to the rest of the album, but I'm starting to wonder if there's actually a mastering error in this track (proper credit belongs to @HomerJAU and @J. PUPSTER for noticing this first).

If you rip it to 8-channel .FLAC or .WAV and open it in Audacity, it appears there's no audio content in channels 5 & 6. However, boosting that pair 25 dB(!) reveals an isolated acoustic guitar track. I wonder if a fader accidentally got pushed down before they exported the mix or something?

It's still not spectacular, but definitely more interesting than before.

 

[oxenholme]

I don't think that I am getting the right result from this disc on my 5.1 setup.

I jumped straight to my favourite track, Star Star, and wondered where the heck that piano came from.

Secondly, Mick Jagger's voice sounds very different to how it sounds on the original LP or the SHM SACD. On this he sounds like a 90 year old.

Thirdly, although my Oppo 205 can play the disc itself, it cannot play the 7.1 flac via the front USB port.

Colour me bewildered

 

[andi-999]

On a side note - down to 85 Euros at Amazon.de
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B089J5GZHL

 

[J. PUPSTER]

I had mentioned earlier that surround treatment of "Dancing With Mr. D." is pretty disappointing compared to the rest of the album, but I'm starting to wonder if there's actually a mastering error in this track (proper credit belongs to @HomerJAU and @J. PUPSTER for noticing this first).

If you rip it to 8-channel .FLAC or .WAV and open it in Audacity, it appears there's no audio content in channels 5 & 6. However, boosting that pair 25 dB(!) reveals an isolated acoustic guitar track. I wonder if a fader accidentally got pushed down before they exported the mix or something?

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It's still not spectacular, but definitely more interesting than before.

Cool animated gif .

 

[steelydave]

I had mentioned earlier that surround treatment of "Dancing With Mr. D." is pretty disappointing compared to the rest of the album, but I'm starting to wonder if there's actually a mastering error in this track (proper credit belongs to @HomerJAU and @J. PUPSTER for noticing this first).

If you rip it to 8-channel .FLAC or .WAV and open it in Audacity, it appears there's no audio content in channels 5 & 6. However, boosting that pair 25 dB(!) reveals an isolated acoustic guitar track. I wonder if a fader accidentally got pushed down before they exported the mix or something?

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It's still not spectacular, but definitely more interesting than before.

Is it possible this is something that's exclusively in the Atmos height speakers?

 

[salsdali]

I just can't justify $149 for just the surround that has zero 10 votes on the poll.

For that kind of money I gotta see a lot of 10's.

Maybe I'm just too cheap for this game anymore or the record companies have just become even more greedier (and I didn't even think that was humanly possible).

 

[oxenholme]

On pretty much every song, the rear channels are a combination of isolated information and ambience/reflections from the front-panned instruments (as is the case with most modern surround remixes). What’s interesting is that, in the 7.1 version, the ambience from the fronts and instruments heard solely in the rears are often separated into the different rear speaker pairs.

Were the ambience/reflections present in the original stereo mix?

 

[salsdali]

listening to the Carpenters 5.1 SACD

Tough Battle between Mick and Karen and I'm gonna give the head bob to Karen for more pure soul instead of drug fueled soul

 

[Daniel John]

Man o' MAN, this thread has turned into a veritable "Science Project." What's NEXT: A QQ Poster attempts to pry the GHS hard covered book from its gooey mooring and then kvetches that as he placed it on his lap, his gonads stuck to his BVDs and he ended up with Sticky Fingers!

This is what's so awesome about QQ. Nowhere else do we get analysis of the audio wave forms. I used to not really care about that sort of stuff but now I find it interesting and extremely useful.

By the way, when it comes to Atmos I'm in the 5.1.2 camp. Atmos speakers sit on top of my front towers.

 

[knifeman]

This is what's so awesome about QQ. Nowhere else do we get analysis of the audio wave forms. I used to not really care about that sort of stuff but now I find it interesting and extremely useful.

By the way, when it comes to Atmos I'm in the 5.1.2 camp. Atmos speakers sit on top of my front towers.View attachment 56044

I'm curious how these reflecting height speakers sound. Depending on my listening room if/when I upgrade my equipment down the road, I may have to go this route. Many years ago, I owned a pair of Bose 301's that had an angled tweeter which would reflect off the side walls. They sounded pretty good from what I remember.

 

[4-earredwonder]

I'm curious how these reflecting height speakers sound. Depending on my listening room if/when I upgrade my equipment down the road, I may have to go this route. Many years ago, I owned a pair of Bose 301's that had an angled tweeter which would reflect off the side walls. They sounded pretty good from what I remember.

From what I've read .... but NOT heard......there is NO substitute for the REAL DEAL.....height speakers which are in ceiling or anchored above the sweet spot.

Think soundbars .... they promise you 5.1 and now, even ATMOS ..... but I can tell you from first hand experience ...... they're great replacements for the crappy 'toy' speakers built into a majority of today's flatscreens ..... but NO SUBSTITUTE for either a full blown 5.1 nor ATMOS speaker system!

With audio: NO PAIN ..... NO GAIN. If you have the ability to audition them firsthand in your system, I'd go that route first before committing to a purchase.

My major concern with these 'Atmos' speakers sitting atop the front speakers: will they in ANY WAY interfere with the imaging of those front left center and right speakers??????? A concern worth considering, IMO.

 

[musicmemorabiliashoppellc]

I'm curious how these reflecting height speakers sound. Depending on my listening room if/when I upgrade my equipment down the road, I may have to go this route. Many years ago, I owned a pair of Bose 301's that had an angled tweeter which would reflect off the side walls. They sounded pretty good from what I remember.

Just imagine what Bose 901's, sounded like....I loved those....my friend had them, but I had JBL 4311a's!!!

 

[4-earredwonder]

Just imagine what Bose 901's, sounded like....I loved those....my friend had them, but I had JBL 4311a's!!!

MM, take a trip down Memory Lane with this 1971 Review of the BOSE 901s by esteemed Stereophile reviewer J. Gordon Holt:

https://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/425/index.html
BTW, MM, the BOSE 901s which cost $476 a pair with equalizer in 1971 in today's market would retail for $3,075!

 

[H.A.L.]

Still waiting eagerly for my box to arrive. Love this forum for the early bird discussions!

As for the Atmos - 7.1 debate . . . I love Atmos, but miss the wide panning of my old 7.2 setup.

Wish I could switch between them easily (but my old 7.2 front wides became my new Atmos front heights). Yes, I could get a new amp and add two more speakers for wide. Not sure my current tin-tin ears would be worth the cost .

Anyway -- the jams on GHS are some of the Stones finest. Can't wait to hear it in surround, whichever format!

 

[musicmemorabiliashoppellc]

MM, take a trip down Memory Lane with this 1971 Review of the BOSE 901s by esteemed Stereophile reviewer J. Gordon Holt:

https://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/425/index.html
BTW, MM, the BOSE 901s which cost $476 a pair with equalizer in 1971 in today's market would retail for $3,075!

I know this isn't quite the right forum for this, but Ralphie check out this review/history of the JBL 4311

https://www.mixonline.com/technology/1974-jbl-4311-studio-monitors-383603
So if you folks REALLY want to HEAR what your favorite CLASSIC ROCK ALBUMS should sound like these are the ones to get

 

[Daniel John]

Is GHS Super Deluxe in the QQ Surround Poll? I can't find it...

 

[Daniel John]

I'm curious how these reflecting height speakers sound. Depending on my listening room if/when I upgrade my equipment down the road, I may have to go this route. Many years ago, I owned a pair of Bose 301's that had an angled tweeter which would reflect off the side walls. They sounded pretty good from what I remember.

As others have mentioned ceiling speakers pointing down are the ideal setup for Atmos. My PSBs work ok, but I doubt I'm getting the best Atmos results. My audio setup is also used for movies and the up firing does add some nice hight. Unfortunately there's no way I was going to make holes in my living room ceiling to accommodate Atmos speakers.

Here's what my upfiring PSB XA Atmos speakers look like with the grill removed. These can also be wall mounted.
There are many brands available for those with limited options - YMMV.

 

[marpow]

CDJapan notified me today of my GHSoup order being delivered, this means I should get Friday? I will be setting up my new rig this weekend. I will be activating 6 new speakers of the 9 so I'll need break in time, new room acoustics, the whole shabang so what I listen to next week will hopefully improve over the next 500 hours, actually hopefully I will love my new set up on day one.

 

[IMachine]

As others have mentioned ceiling speakers pointing down are the ideal setup for Atmos. My PSBs work ok, but I doubt I'm getting the best Atmos results. My audio setup is also used for movies and the up firing does add some nice hight. Unfortunately there's no way I was going to make holes in my living room ceiling to accommodate Atmos speakers.

Here's what my upfiring PSB XA Atmos speakers look like with the grill removed. These can also be wall mounted.
There are many brands available for those with limited options - YMMV.

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With these there was no need for in ceiling speakers. I have them on ceiling:
Canton gle 416.2 pro