SACD to ISO with Oppo & Pioneer BD players!

[GOS]

I doubt anyone would argue that, but there is a conversion involved in the process of going from SACD/dsd to FLAC/ pcm that can't be completely overlooked. Each of us must weigh the costs of DSD vs the convenience of FLAC. At this point I choose flac's, but I also keep the full ISO's in case my situation changes.

I'm just getting started with ripping my collection. So far, I have kept the iso's as well. No reason really, other than I haven't taken the time to either discard, or archive. It all takes time and space. both, which I"m short on at the moment.

 

[himey]

I'm just getting started with ripping my collection. So far, I have kept the iso's as well. No reason really, other than I haven't taken the time to either discard, or archive. It all takes time and space. both, which I"m short on at the moment.

I have the same problem but there are FAR worse problems to have so lets not sweat it!

 

[GOS]

This question is in regard to the moment where I convert my files to Flac. What compression level is the best? For some reason, mine is set at 5, but I don't know that I set it that way. (foobar2000)

Anyone? And, if you have a preference, please tell me why and any pro's or con's.
Thanks in advance...

 

[Spock]

This question is in regard to the moment where I convert my files to Flac. What compression level is the best? For some reason, mine is set at 5, but I don't know that I set it that way. (foobar2000)

Anyone? And, if you have a preference, please tell me why and any pro's or con's.
Thanks in advance...

I use level 5 too - the default is a good choice - considering encoding time and file-size. Rembering reading about it years ago when I ripped my cd-collection - and and that was the conclusion. Don't think things have changed since then - so be happy with the level 5 default

 

[GOS]

Another question or concern. I've noticed, now that I'm ripping SACD via my Oppo, I see some strange patterns in (OK, I don't know the name, but I have arrows in this picture pointing to the area of concern)

Normally, I don't see these oddball peaks. Where I have the arrows, mostly those bars don't move. They are static. I don't ever see that situation when ripping other DVD-A or Blu-ray via other means. I hope I'm being clear enough. Should I be concerned?? I don't hear anything odd, but it sure makes me think some setting is off.

 

[skherbeck]

Ok, so tried a different stick. It didn't work either until I drug the Folder over, which contained the 3 files. Now, the drawer opens, I put SACD in, close it and nothing happens. How long before it should recognize the disc? Of course, from here, I can press play and it starts playing...though I assume I shouldn't do that...

Gene (or anyone), help me out here, pleeeaase... I have the OPPO 103, I've put the Autoscript folder (containing 3 files) on a newly formatted USB stick, I connect the USB stick to my OPPO (with autoplay disabled), and nothing happens. The drawer doesn't open. What do you mean when you say "until you drug the folder over"? This seems like it must be the step I've missed...

 

[himey]

Gene (or anyone), help me out here, pleeeaase... I have the OPPO 103, I've put the Autoscript folder (containing 3 files) on a newly formatted USB stick, I connect the USB stick to my OPPO (with autoplay disabled), and nothing happens. The drawer doesn't open. What do you mean when you say "until you drug the folder over"? This seems like it must be the step I've missed...

I think it is the same as pasting the files in the folder to root of usb drive. Make sure you have files in the folder for Oppo and not Pioneer. Reformat usb if you are sure you have the correct files.

 

[skherbeck]

FYI... I just found the answer to why my OPPO 103 drawer wasn't opening when I put my USB stick in... you have to use the USB port in BACK of the OPPO, not the one on the front (at least, that's what worked for me)!

 

[GOS]

FYI... I just found the answer to why my OPPO 103 drawer wasn't opening when I put my USB stick in... you have to use the USB port in BACK of the OPPO, not the one on the front (at least, that's what worked for me)!

Hey Sean - I'm sorry I didn't follow through with making instructions. I started to do it and realized I couldn't remember all the critical steps!!
Well - my USB is in front of the 103.

Did you go into your Oppo menu and disable all auto play type settings? You need to do this. Not saying that's part of the problem...

 

[skherbeck]

Hey Sean - I'm sorry I didn't follow through with making instructions. I started to do it and realized I couldn't remember all the critical steps!!
Well - my USB is in front of the 103.

Did you go into your Oppo menu and disable all auto play type settings? You need to do this. Not saying that's part of the problem...

I disabled the auto play/resume stuff... strange that the process won't work on my OPPO with the front USB port... maybe a setting somewhere... anyway, it's finally working after hours of frustration, and Jeff Beck "Wired' is quietly ripping away! Thanks to everyone for your help!

 

[GOS]

I disabled the auto play/resume stuff... strange that the process won't work on my OPPO with the front USB port... maybe a setting somewhere... anyway, it's finally working after hours of frustration, and Jeff Beck "Wired' is quietly ripping away! Thanks to everyone for your help!

Are you ripping as an ISO? I was doing that at first and I guess I decided I prefer the SONY DSF. With it set this way, it seems to me it parses out all the songs into a folder, and also keeps the highest resolution. When I was doing ISO, I then had to convert to Flac, which sometimes didn't seem to have the full resolution. I am sure there are ways to do it - but for me. They fewer steps I have, the better off I am. I always then suck the new files into Tag & Rename and alter the name of the Album to include something like this.
Album - Wired [AFZ265 QUAD SACD]

This way, if I have another version of Wired, it doesn't confuse them together...which seems to happen in foobar.

 

[winopener]

Another question or concern. I've noticed, now that I'm ripping SACD via my Oppo, I see some strange patterns in (OK, I don't know the name, but I have arrows in this picture pointing to the area of concern)

Normally, I don't see these oddball peaks. Where I have the arrows, mostly those bars don't move. They are static. I don't ever see that situation when ripping other DVD-A or Blu-ray via other means. I hope I'm being clear enough. Should I be concerned?? I don't hear anything odd, but it sure makes me think some setting is off.

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DSD quantization noise. A very well known DSD side issue. The higher the sample rate, the higher it moves on the upper frequencies.
Usually is filtered with a lowpass.

 

[GOS]

DSD quantization noise. A very well known DSD side issue. The higher the sample rate, the higher it moves on the upper frequencies.
Usually is filtered with a lowpass.

Where is there a filter lowpass? You mean in foobar? Or should I just not worry about it? I certainly hear nothing unusual.

 

[skherbeck]

Are you ripping as an ISO? I was doing that at first and I guess I decided I prefer the SONY DSF. With it set this way, it seems to me it parses out all the songs into a folder, and also keeps the highest resolution. When I was doing ISO, I then had to convert to Flac, which sometimes didn't seem to have the full resolution. I am sure there are ways to do it - but for me. They fewer steps I have, the better off I am. I always then suck the new files into Tag & Rename and alter the name of the Album to include something like this.
Album - Wired [AFZ265 QUAD SACD]

This way, if I have another version of Wired, it doesn't confuse them together...which seems to happen in foobar.

Well... this seems to be an area I don't know much about... I'm ripping to ISO, then using Foobar to convert to flac at 24x88,200 resolution... sounds good so far. I don't know what SONY DSF is! I think, though, that 88,200 is good enough for my ears (I see you're getting twice that resolution... I'm not sure I could hear the difference, but I'll definitely notice the difference with regards to storage space used)... can you explain what the SONY DSF is, though, so I can try it out?

 

[skherbeck]

Where is there a filter lowpass? You mean in foobar? Or should I just not worry about it? I certainly hear nothing unusual.

In foobar, click on "menu", then "file", then "preferences", then click on "SACD" in the left hand column; then
under "DSD2PCM Mode" you can choose options... I have mine set to "direct64fp, 30kHz lowpass" and the output sounds good...

 

[GOS]

Well... this seems to be an area I don't know much about... I'm ripping to ISO, then using Foobar to convert to flac at 24x88,200 resolution... sounds good so far. I don't know what SONY DSF is! I think, though, that 88,200 is good enough for my ears (I see you're getting twice that resolution... I'm not sure I could hear the difference, but I'll definitely notice the difference with regards to storage space used)... can you explain what the SONY DSF is, though, so I can try it out?

I cannot really explain it no. All I can tell you is that if I choose that instead of ISO, the resolution is identical (I think) to the source. So, a DSD SACD ripped with DSF duplicates the resolution. Also, you don't have to do any further converting. Yeah, you're right...way more space needed. But I don't really care at the moment. Now, if you are uploading those Flac files to a cloud. It will go much faster than me uploading my DSF files. So, compromises to be made. I may resort back to ISO...I really don't know.

Finally - hell no, I can't tell the difference.

 

[jimfisheye]

Forgive me if some of this has been covered. Also, I am no expert with converting DSD discs (SACD) to .iso images!

I can tell you that converting DSD to 24/88.2 is a high def to high def conversion and any loss would be well within perception bias. You will get more sound fidelity by converting DSD to 24/88.2 PCM and listening through pro PCM DA converters than listening to the DSD program natively with consumer grade DSD DA converters. So there's that.

I believe Foobar and other apps that convert DSD tp PCM give you the option to reduce the gain. A DSD to PCM conversion can give you data that goes above zero! You can give yourself a safety margin of -6db. Better is to convert the files to 32 bit floating point instead of 24 bit fixed. Then you can lower the gain precisely with a DAW app as needed to end up normalized just under 0db. Then render to 24 bit flac files.

As far as 88.2k vs. 176.4k, 88.2k is a container that can hold the complete fidelity of an audio file. 176.4k can be used for processing work (especially restoration work) and have some better results with the math involved in certain processing. When you're done working on it, 88.2k will contain the complete final result audio with no loss. (Same thing for 96k vs. 192k.)

 

[skherbeck]

I cannot really explain it no. All I can tell you is that if I choose that instead of ISO, the resolution is identical (I think) to the source. So, a DSD SACD ripped with DSF duplicates the resolution. Also, you don't have to do any further converting. Yeah, you're right...way more space needed. But I don't really care at the moment. Now, if you are uploading those Flac files to a cloud. It will go much faster than me uploading my DSF files. So, compromises to be made. I may resort back to ISO...I really don't know.

Finally - hell no, I can't tell the difference.

I wasn't given a choice about whether to rip to ISO or DSF... where is that in the process? (I just double click the file "sacd" (the one where I entered my OPPO's IP address), and it starts ripping to ISO automatically)

 

[GOS]

I wasn't given a choice about whether to rip to ISO or DSF... where is that in the process? (I just double click the file "sacd" (the one where I entered my OPPO's IP address), and it starts ripping to ISO automatically)

same window. You should see a drop box that says OUTPUT MODE - Several choices there.

 

[GOS]

same window. You should see a drop box that says OUTPUT MODE - Several choices there.

I may have downloaded a plug-in that gave me those options. See? I can't remember.