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Sorry Q-Eight , but you acknowledged this release in Steely's post #38 , (in the same thread on April 05th.)
I suppose were all getting old and have some memory problems.

I re-read that post. We neither confirmed nor denied the prospect of "In Concert", or "Greatest Hits". The speculation was that the ad states "a new" album is coming from Janis Joplin. It could have even been "Cheap Thrills" which we CAN confirm was mixed back then. So, it could be any of those three albums. "In Concert" in my mind, seems like the LEAST likely because live recordings of that time period were generally not tracked very well and had plenty of bleed from other microphones. That album also pulls live tracks from several venues over several different years which would make the sound change drastically song to song not to mention the mix as well.

"Greatest Hits" seems the most likely to me, since, most of that album pulls tracks from the already mixed "Pearl" and the mixed and unreleased "Cheap Thrills". So, if Columbia wanted to be lazy, they'd have to freshly mix two tracks from "Kozmik Blues" and they'd be finished. Not to mention that, Greatest Hits comps usually sell well, and, were some of the better-selling Quad titles.
 
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Initially, the same "Dog Style: Their Greatest Hits" was being plugged as a title for just such an album by Three Dog Night, and had been originally the CQD-40015 planned release. Or, at least, according to one catalog of current and upcoming quad releases; I can't remember which one. In any event, it never materialized.
That catalog number ended up being Steely Dan's Pretzel Logic.
 
I re-read that post. We neither confirmed nor denied the prospect of "In Concert", or "Greatest Hits". The speculation was that the ad states "a new" album is coming from Janis Joplin. It could have even been "Cheap Thrills" which we CAN confirm was mixed back then. So, it could be any of those three albums. "In Concert" in my mind, seems like the LEAST likely because live recordings of that time period were generally not tracked very well and had plenty of bleed from other microphones. That album also pulls live tracks from several venues over several different years which would make the sound change drastically song to song not to mention the mix as well.

"Greatest Hits" seems the most likely to me, since, most of that album pulls tracks from the already mixed "Pearl" and the mixed and unreleased "Cheap Thrills". So, if Columbia wanted to be lazy, they'd have to freshly mix two tracks from "Kozmik Blues" and they'd be finished. Not to mention that, Greatest Hits comps usually sell well, and, were some of the better-selling Quad titles.


Yes I think "Cheap Thrills" would be the best guess. That's one we know as per those Columbia Discreet Quad Reels That article says "new SQ" , not new album.
But I would not put it past Columbia Records to have mixed other Joplin albums in quad .
 
I re-read that post. We neither confirmed nor denied the prospect of "In Concert", or "Greatest Hits". The speculation was that the ad states "a new" album is coming from Janis Joplin. It could have even been "Cheap Thrills" which we CAN confirm was mixed back then. So, it could be any of those three albums. "In Concert" in my mind, seems like the LEAST likely because live recordings of that time period were generally not tracked very well and had plenty of bleed from other microphones. That album also pulls live tracks from several venues over several different years which would make the sound change drastically song to song not to mention the mix as well.

"Greatest Hits" seems the most likely to me, since, most of that album pulls tracks from the already mixed "Pearl" and the mixed and unreleased "Cheap Thrills". So, if Columbia wanted to be lazy, they'd have to freshly mix two tracks from "Kozmik Blues" and they'd be finished. Not to mention that, Greatest Hits comps usually sell well, and, were some of the better-selling Quad titles.

I agree this is very likely, but I'd say the In Concert album is maybe equally so, given that Larry Keyes was the engineer on this album - I don't think he has a single other stereo-only engineering credit (popular or classical) during the whole quad era. It would be kind of surprising to me that in 1972 (when CBS was pushing full steam ahead on quad) that they wouldn't have at least prepared a quad mix of this, as they did with other live albums, from Carlos Santana & Buddy Miles Live! to Mahavisnu Orchestra's Between Nothingness & Eternity to all the Japanese live quad mixes, like Santana, Mountain,and even Percy Faith and Andy Williams.
 
I re-read that post. We neither confirmed nor denied the prospect of "In Concert", or "Greatest Hits". The speculation was that the ad states "a new" album is coming from Janis Joplin. It could have even been "Cheap Thrills" which we CAN confirm was mixed back then. So, it could be any of those three albums. "In Concert" in my mind, seems like the LEAST likely because live recordings of that time period were generally not tracked very well and had plenty of bleed from other microphones. That album also pulls live tracks from several venues over several different years which would make the sound change drastically song to song not to mention the mix as well.

"Greatest Hits" seems the most likely to me, since, most of that album pulls tracks from the already mixed "Pearl" and the mixed and unreleased "Cheap Thrills". So, if Columbia wanted to be lazy, they'd have to freshly mix two tracks from "Kozmik Blues" and they'd be finished. Not to mention that, Greatest Hits comps usually sell well, and, were some of the better-selling Quad titles.
You can never go wrong with a "Greatest Hits" of almost any artist.
 
One would think that Abandoned Luncheonette should have gotten the Quad treatment given its 1973 release. But it wasn't very successful when it first came out. By the time She's Gone became a top 10 hit in 1976, I suspect that this album was off the Quad radar screen. It ultimately did hit platinum. I certainly would buy it if re-mixed and released in 5.1.

Edit: MoFi released it on LP. Only $300 on eBay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3335130047...MIrfXy_Jvn7wIVxZ6zCh1efAwbEAQYBSABEgL5h_D_BwE
I would be happy to die and go to heaven if I ever hear this Magnificent album in Surround !!! Who do I go and threaten !
 
There may be a misconception regarding some of those BBC broadcasts in 78/77.

Not all of the broadcasts were Live In Concert types . Yes they did do some Live Concerts at Paris theatre , Golders Green , and other London venues , including Genesis at Knebworth . But the albums I've listed are from the Band's albums , supplied by their labels as requested by the BBC.

Those Discreet Masters would be retained by the labels , such as: Mercury , Vertigo , EMI/Harvest , EMI , and other labels , that are now mostly with UMG.

For the most part it was Tony Wilson (BBC engineer) who encoded these album tracks for The Alan Freeman Show , John Peel's Show and others . They are known as "Tony Wilson Quad Creations".

I believe he also did most of (if not all) , of the 77/78 Live Quad mixes and encoded those . Shows such as the first Live Rock broadcast in BBC MATRIX H of The Jack Bruce Band , broadcast at the start of the BBC quad experience, April 30th 1977 .

That show was introduced by Pete Drummond , with a short Matrix H test of your speakers by him saying HELLO , 4 times , once each individually with your 4 speakers , just prior to introducing the band.

BBC sessions do confuse a lot of people.

There are live concerts recorded by the BBC, which are usually an hour or maybe 2 x half hour. A lot of these were released on 'transcription discs' for the BBC to sell to broadcasters overseas. Some of those from the mid-1970s are in SQ quad. So some CD reissues may be in 'stealth quad'.

'Sessions' are sometimes live in the studio. They usually are these days. They are sometimes sessions from a private studio. But the vast majority between 1967 and 2004 were studio recordings made in house by the BBC - most often at their Maida Vale studios (quite close to Abbey Road, as it happens). When the Beeb made their quad experiments, some of the sessions were remixed into quad and it is those which seem to make up the majority of the unreleased studio quad tracks played by Alan Freeman. The tracks on the Alan Freeman Christmas Quad programme from 1977 are the best of those sessions up to that point.

See the Radio Times entry for an example programme here: Alan Freeman - BBC Radio 1 England - 25 June 1977 - BBC Genome

Note that it mentions 'songs from their album'. This gives the impression that they are the album recordings. But note also that it says they are 'sessions'. So they are songs, but not recordings, from the album. (Just like if it was a live concert they would be 'songs from the album' but not the album recordings.) The actual recordings in this case are from the BBC John Peel session, produced by Tony Wilson [not the Factory Records supremo] and remixed by him into quad for the Alan Freeman show. Here are the details of the recording session: BBC - Radio 1 - Keeping It Peel - 31/01/1977 Andy Fairweather-Low This is confirmed in the book In Session Tonight In Session Tonight: The Complete Radio 1 Recordings. It says, "Repeated on Alan Freeman, 25/6/77 as 'Matrix H Quad Experiment'" This book was published by the BBC, using evidence direct from their archives.

I've heard the Alan Freeman Christmas Quad programme from 1977, and, for example, Shimmie Doo Wah Sae is noticeably different because there is no brass on the BBC recording.

All of this is not very important except that it shows, I hope, that the tracks played are not evidence of unreleased quad albums held by the record companies. I wish that they did imply lost albums.

I fully accept that there may be some non-BBC recordings broadcast by the BBC which imply a 'lost' quad album - it seems the Jethro Tull ones you cite are could well be that. But if you see a few tracks played by Alan Freeman in quad, it's probably worth comparing against the list of Peel sessions here: BBC - Radio 1 - Keeping It Peel - Artists A-Z (Note that this only lists sessions for John Peel, so sessions for other DJs would not be listed. The book cited above lists all sessions up to 1992, though most are Peel anyway.) There will probably be a session a few weeks prior.
 
I have a quad BBC vinyl record that is definitely surround, as my friend with all the right equipment un-encoded and burned me a multichannel DVD.

That will probably be a 'Transcription Disc' - a vinyl LP licensed to foreign broadcasters. The ones I have seen are in SQ quad. E.g. Rick Wakeman – Stereo Pop Special-122 (1976, Vinyl) (From the confusingly named series, 'Stereo Pop Special' :D
 
I can never hear that old term without thinking of the Goon Show....
Peter Sellers:
[using dramatic voice] I have been asked by the Beeb Beeb Ceeb to get the audience warmed up. Well, to my knowledge, there is no better way, than for the gentlemen to use their right hand to squeeze the tops of the lady's thigh next to them!
[sound FX plays loud feminine "Ooh!" sounds]
Peter Sellers:
Splendid ! I shall now whistle the soliloquy from Hamlet...
[Peter whistles the soliloquy from Hamlet while walking away from the microphone]
Announcer:
That was Mr Sellers practicing his comeback.

'Beeb' makes me think of Kenny Everett. I bet he would have enjoyed playing with quad...
 
Regrettable with hindsight maybe, but not stupid, they weren't a museum, it wasn't their remit to save stuff on the off chance someone in the future might find it interesting. It was public money they were saving in order to stay broadcasting. It happened particularly in TV where video tape was even more expensive (whole series of what are now thought of as being 'classic' TV shows were wiped).

Yes, I agree. It seems stupid in retrospect but the BBC have always been under pressure not to waste money so they've always had to make difficult decisions. Quad would have been completely unimportant to most of the BBC licence payers (which is most UK adult citizens).
 
Somewhat beyond a Rumour as 4 Discreet quad tracks from "Tonic For The Troops" were utilized for an HJ encoded broadcast on the 27th of May 1978 , by the BBC.

The Boomtown Rats session mentioned is here: BBC - Radio 1 - Keeping It Peel - 15/05/1978 Boomtown Rats. Recorded at BBC Maida Vale on 15/05/1978, produced by Tony Wilson. It was then broadcast on Peel on the TX (transmission) date. This would fit in with the details quoted, as the Alan Freeman show, in quad, was the following day. So it seems very likely that they broadcast a quad remix of the Peel session from the night before, as was done with other Peel sessions. Alan Freeman - BBC Radio 1 England - 27 May 1978 - BBC Genome. So sadly this does not imply a missing quad album in the record company vaults. 🙁 It will be four tracks only and if they do still exist they will most likely be in the BBC vaults.
 
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