Suggestions for Dutton Vocalion Multichannel SACD Releases

[quicksrt]

We are way OT on this thread, but like what would you rather have: No Mahavishnu Orchestra Quad SACD, or a perfectly good one with switched front channels? Do you just not listen to it because of the swap?

It always aggravates me reading the poll thread for that disc because like 90% of the posts are about problems and not how good it sounds. The switch doesn't compromise the mix at all except for one occasion (beginning of "One Word" where the drums pan in an X instead of a perfect circle).

I love that disc (along with all the AF quads), I'm incredibly glad it exists. I'd rather switch two cables than spend hours trying to clean up an SQ or a Q8.

End rant.

Not a rant. But like I just said, it's getting late, nobody is getting any younger, and does one want to hear it in clean perfect sound quality or not? For me, I'll take a reversed channel Mahavishnu Orchestra (any day) over a Weather Report or Return to Forever SACD that is completely missing it's known quad later.

I'd take a Dolby Digital or DTS surround disc over a high-res stereo only disc any day.

 

[4-earredwonder]

Not a rant. But like I just said, it's getting late, nobody is getting any younger, and does one want to hear it in clean perfect sound quality or not? For me, I'll take a reversed channel Mahavishnu Orchestra (any day) over a Weather Report or Return to Forever SACD that is completely missing it's known quad later.

I'd take a Dolby Digital or DTS surround disc over a high-res stereo only disc any day.

YIKES! Read my last statement in Post #753 above.

I hate DD and DTS 5.1 when in the Year 2018 A D we have BD~A, SACD and MLP DVD~A. Not to brag [but I am] on MY equipment, you can hear a major difference between Lossy and Lossless which is to say, settling for less is a COP OUT [but I DO hear what you ARE saying..... I just don't agree].

 

[quicksrt]

Since I have that Mahavishu disc on LP and other formats, when I pay good money for a triple~dipped remaster [especially in QUAD] I expect it to be perfect just like when I go to a high end steak house, I won't settle for a fatty subpar piece of meat.


I'm funny that way, sjcorne. I'm still pissed off about the Ten Years After A Space In Time QUAD 'remaster' where the fronts and backs were switched. No reason for such sloppiness....and they NEVER offered a replacement. Double pissed off.

Excuse my rant.

I run a small business and the picayune things the public choose to criticize are annoying but if you want repeat business "the public is ALWAYS right' even though they're NOT.

Well, many labels decided that no, they don't need the repeat (surround) business, and would rather shut down, or close out surround discs for good. That is unacceptable to me at this stage of my life. As a boy I was mesmerized by quad equipment and the idea and concept of being closer to the performance in a way. It took many many decades for me to get both DVD-A and SACD playing in my living room. I got DTS first, and DVD-A 4 years later, and SACD about 8 years after that. Then the long long wait for S. Wilson, AF and DV to push things forward again.

It took so long and much effort, that no, I don't want to worry about something that I can fix like flipped channels. Life is just too short as it is.

 

[quicksrt]

YIKES! Read my last statement in Post #753 above.

I hate DD and DTS 5.1 when in the Year 2018 A D we have BD~A, SACD and MLP DVD~A. Not to brag [but I am] on MY equipment, you can hear a major difference between Lossy and Lossless which is to say, settling for less is a COP OUT [but I DO hear what you ARE saying..... I just don't agree].

I didn't say I liked it, or that I can't hear a difference. I said I'd rather have it (like Tusk) than not have it at all. Would you prefer to not have Tusk at all in 5.1?

It's a yes or no question and I won't argue with your preference.

And no, in post #753 you do not mention DD or DTS at all. You mention the TYA debacle but I had brought that up previously (see post #752) in this thread, so you were following up on my comment or critique of that title. Or both of us thought about that flawed title at the same time. Yeah bummer about it, but at least I got it in this lifetime, which for many quads, I will be gone and never got the chance. That is what it has come to.

 

[4-earredwonder]

I didn't say I liked it, or that I can't hear a difference. I said I'd rather have it (like Tusk) than not have it at all. Would you prefer to not have Tusk at all in 5.1?

It's a yes or no question and I won't argue with your preference.

Yes, I love the idea we DO HAVE TUSK in surround and I'm really hoping [and praying] that one day all the Fleetwood Mac and TULL DTS 5.1 remasters ALL MIRACULOUSLY REAPPEAR on LOSSLESS formats. After hearing Rumors and Say You Will on MLP DVD~A 5.1 and Aqualung on LOSSLESS BD~A, hearing anything LESS [codec wise] was a POOR POOR decision and what did the majors REALLY save in the end by NOT including LOSSLESS 5.1 REMASTERS ...... P E A N U T S !

 

[quicksrt]

Yes, I love the idea we DO HAVE TUSK in surround and I'm really hoping [and praying] that one day all the Fleetwood Mac and TULL DTS 5.1 remasters ALL MIRACULOUSLY REAPPEAR on LOSSLESS formats. After hearing Rumors and Say You Will on MLP DVD~A 5.1 and Aqualung on LOSSLESS BD~A, hearing anything LESS [codec wise] was a POOR POOR decision and what did the majors REALLY save in the end ...... P E A N U T S !

Don't hold your breath too long on these coming out losslessly ok. Between the shouting and lack of oxygen, it could be very bad. LOL!

 

[4-earredwonder]

Don't hold your breath too long on these coming out losslessly ok. Between the shouting and lack of oxygen, it could be very bad. LOL!

I hear you bro and one thing maturity has taught me in life ..... don't take anything [including oneself] too seriously.

In the end, it IS what it IS. MY Loss[y].

Ah, I can breathe ... again!

 

[JediJoker]

Please forgive me for not perusing the thread to see if this has already been mentioned (possibly even by me):

It would be a perfect complement to AF's Secret Treaties.

 

[MrSmithers]

In light of yesterday's announcements (and the revelation that DV has access to PIR's quads !!), I thought I'd post an updated suggestions list, though I have mentioned some of these before.

These are all Sony and seem plausible for D-V to attain:

O'Jays- Survival & Family Reunion (these were SQ only)
Harold Melvin- Black & Blue & Wake Up Everybody
MFSB- Love Is The Message & Philadelphia Freedom
Dave Mason- It's Like You Never Left & Dave Mason
REO Speedwagon- Lost In A Dream & This Time We Mean It
BS&T- Mirror Image & New City
Sly Stone- Small Talk & High On You
Redbone- Message From A Drum & Beaded Dreams Through Turquoise Eyes
Bartok- Concerto For Orchestra & The Miraculous Mandarin
Buddy Miles- Chapter VII & Booger Bear
Janis Ian- Between The Lines & Aftertones
Herbie Hancock- Sextant & Secrets

A couple others that would have to be single disc:

David Essex- Rock On
Raiders- Indian Reservation
Loggins & Messina- Native Sons
EWF- Spirit
Ted Nugent- Free For All
Wild Cherry- Electrified Funk
Labelle- Phoenix

Also not sure who owns the Columbia/Windfall stuff, but there are various Mountain and West, Bruce & Laing quads out there...

Go D-V!

Cool stuff! I think they'd get a load of sales with those! I'd buy 'em all! And I defo second the Harold Melvin/Ojays titles...

Not sure how possible these are? But seeing as D-V seem to be raising the stakes with the latest batch? Might be a bit all over the place and a bit dreamland but...

Temptations - All Directions
Joni Mitchell - Court and Spark
Edgar Winter Group - They Only Come Out At Night
Aerosmith - Rocks/Get Your Wings
J Geils Band - Nightmares... And Other Tales from the Vinyl Jungle
Steely Dan - Can't Buy A Thrill/Countdown To Ecstasy/Pretzel Logic
Focus - Moving Waves
The Jackson 5 - Greatest Hits
The Isley Brothers - Harvest For The World
Bachman Turner Overdrive - BTO II
Santana - Any but especially Abraxas (The dts version sounds like nails on a blackboard)
Stardrive - Intergalactic Trot
Eagles - One Of These Nights
Billy Joel - Piano Man

More just in the hope that it gives some of that voodoo magic on crossing a couple off in the future!

 

[sjcorne]

...after which it will be the O'Jays, now was that captured and mixed to Quad?

Yep. The O'Jays Live In London, released on SQ LP and Q8 tape. Notable for the only appearance of "Backstabbers" in quad.

 

[fredblue]

There is an interesting bit at the end of the album when the compare announces a 15 minute break, after which it will be the O'Jays, now was that captured and mixed to Quad?

yes it was and is the O'Jays "Live In London" Quad, a longer better set than the Billy P imho! hopefully DV can work their magic on that someday too!

 

[DuncanS]

Yep. The O'Jays Live In London, released on SQ LP and Q8 tape.

Maybe Dutton-Vocalion can bring us the O'Jays as well! Its funny as I've got older I can listen to some music I thought was 'Disco' when I was younger, yet now I realise is 'Soul' which I like! Though I've always loved the music of Stevie Wonder, Issac Hayes & The Isley Brothers.

 

[DuncanS]

yes it was and is the O'Jays "Live In London" Quad, a longer better set than the Billy P imho! hopefully DV can work their magic on that someday too!

Beat me to it!

 

[sjcorne]

Maybe Dutton-Vocalion can bring us the O'Jays as well!

We can only hope! Two of their quads, Survival and Family Reunion, were only released in SQ like Johnnie Taylor's Eargasm and have never been heard in discrete. Those as a two-fer would be a dream come true.

There's also Message In The Music which did make it to Q8 (VERY scare though), and some have speculated about an unreleased mix of Back Stabbers.

 

[fredblue]

We can only hope! Two of their quads, Survival and Family Reunion, were only released in SQ like Johnnie Taylor's Eargasm and have never been heard in discrete. Those as a two-fer would be a dream come true.

There's also Message In The Music which did make it to Q8 (VERY scare though), and some have speculated about an unreleased mix of Back Stabbers.

"Survival" & "Family Reunion" might just squeeze on a one disc 2-fer.. or DV may choose to spread such a comp over 2 discs like their new Billy Paul 360o/WOTG 2-fer.. if they get around to The O'Jays that is

 

[4-earredwonder]

I've been convinced of this, Clint, for quite some time.
Any time I order an AP release from Music Direct it is delayed for at least 2 weeks.
The Buddy Holly & The Crickets took almost a month after AS and other sites had it.
I generally order in batches when MD has a discount code.
I'm never cancel anything from MD, ordered both Hendrix, Parsley, Sage & a Dylan mo-fi for 20% off & free shipping.
The cool thing about MD is they'll ship individually for free as the items come in on pre-orders

Perhaps because Music Direct owns Mo-Fi? Competitor to AP.
Who knows.

If anything, Milt, I consider it a 'friendly' competition as both companies couldn't be more diverse in their music reissue programs. Acoustic Sounds is more geared towards JAZZ and Classical reissues and MoFi more Rock and Miles Davis, Dylan, etc.

If anything, I think they're both reaching the end of their SACD reissues......AP has had MANY pre~announced SACD Stereo titles on the 'back burner' for years and doesn't seem in any rush to release them. And there's VERY few pre~announced titles at MoFi, as well. At $30K per disc licensing fees/disc replication fees and the fact they're being pressed in fewer and fewer quantities suggests it's no longer profitable for either. So buy them while you can....at affordable prices.

And I'm sure they both have their eyes on Dutton Vocalion as they cannot compete with D~V's pricing and expeditious release schedule because we all know D~V is NOT paying $30K per disc and selling them for US $15.60 [two~fers, incl.].

 

[esimms86]

Competition is great for us as consumers.

 

[4-earredwonder]

Competition is great for us as consumers.

Under normal circumstances, YES, but unfortunately, based on the vacancy left by Audio Fidelity, SACD reissues, at least in the states, doesn't seem profitable anymore and as we all know, money talks and BULLS**T walks!

BTW, if you notice neither Music Direct nor Acoustic Sounds carry Dutton Vocalion SACD titles.

 

[esimms86]

Under normal circumstances, YES, but unfortunately, based on the vacancy left by Audio Fidelity, SACD reissues, at least in the states, doesn't seem profitable anymore and as we all know, money talks and BULLS**T walks!

BTW, if you notice neither Music Direct nor Acoustic Sounds carry Dutton Vocalion SACD titles.

From a quad standpoint, only D-V is interested in taking on that portion of the pop/rock SACD market. Thank God that D-V is selling to a global market. D-V, BTW, has shown that they are particularly dedicated to the soul/R&B, easy listening and classical quad SACD markets.

And then there are the Blu Ray releases of top selling classic rock albums, particularly as they reach their 50th anniversary milestones.

Acoustic Sounds could care less about music in surround sound. The only exception to this are the classic jazz albums originally recorded in three channels.

Aside from Steven Wilson, there is little interest in producing new surround releases on DVD-A.

If your interest is in classical music in 5.1(or quad, in the case of D-V)then the world is still your oyster.

 

[milt]

From a quad standpoint, only D-V is interested in taking on that portion of the pop/rock SACD market. Thank God that D-V is selling to a global market. D-V, BTW, has shown that they are particularly dedicated to the soul/R&B, easy listening and classical quad SACD markets.

And then there are the Blu Ray releases of top selling classic rock albums, particularly as they reach their 50th anniversary milestones.

Acoustic Sounds could care less about music in surround sound. The only exception to this are the classic jazz albums originally recorded in three channels.

Aside from Steven Wilson, there is little interest in producing new surround releases on DVD-A.

If your interest is in classical music in 5.1(or quad, in the case of D-V)then the world is still your oyster.

But even the latest Wilson stuff is done on Blu-ray which in reality is the logical successor to DVD-A.
PCM format with far greater capacity, bandwidth & killer video capability.

To me, it's heartening to see Hendrix, Lennon & The Beatles taking advantage of BD.