Suggestions for Dutton Vocalion Multichannel SACD Releases

[privateuniverse]

Think of the day when, who are the Beatles?

Wait.....you mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?

 

[Mr. Afternoon]

Jimi Hendrix is already a Never heard of him, with some folks.
Think of the day when, who are the Beatles?

I know people who think Nirvana is a fashion brand and not a band.

 

[GOS]

Wait.....you mean Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings?

Quarrymen...

 

[quicksrt]

Dave Mason's It's Like You Never Left is high on my quad reissue wishlist. However, while Sony still appears to retain the rights to it, they did let one of those reissue labels (Beat Goes On) do a CD release a little while back. I seem to remember someone saying that might complicate matters.

Yeah I think there were suspicions or confirmations that Edgar Winter was a similar situation (in the UK), available but already licensed out for perpetuity or there about. It’s sad when the will is there and that’s just not enough to pull it over the finish line. That’s another reason that Quadio has filled a void in my life, the damn discs just keep coming out so fast my head spins. Without them I’d have a much worse sinking feeling. And then Sony puts out another repeated quad title.

 

[marpow]

reissue labels (Beat Goes On)

I use BGO Records frequently for Stereo CD's great selection and great prices.
BGO RECORDS ARTIST LINK

 

[humprof]

This is incredibly exiting news to me. What are the four albums you referred to upthread? Nilsson Schmilsson and Son Of Schmilsson make for an obvious two-fer SACD. I imagine A Little Touch Of Schmilsson is another album from around the same time frame. Is it possible that Harry could be one of them, too? I am a total Nilsson fanatic and I would buy absolutely anything that comes out in hi-res multichannel (as long as it is a physical release!)

Discogs is your friend. (And, I'd usually add, the QQ "Search" box, although it doesn't get you very far in this case.) We know the quad masters still exist, as all four albums showed up in "Sony 360 Reality Audio" wrappers on the streaming services a few years ago. Tidal and Deezer eventually pulled 360 RA, but maybe not Amazon?

Schmilsson (poll)
Pussy Cats (poll)
Duit On Mon Dei (poll)
Sandman (poll)

 

[Uncle Obscure]

Discogs is your friend. (And, I'd usually add, the QQ "Search" box, although it doesn't get you very far in this case.) We know the quad masters still exist, as all four albums showed up in "Sony 360 Reality Audio" wrappers on the streaming services a few years ago. Tidal and Deezer eventually pulled 360 RA, but maybe not Amazon?

Schmilsson (poll)
Pussy Cats (poll)
Duit On Mon Dei (poll)
Sandman (poll)

You're right. I always forget about Discogs. Thank you.

So, currently there is only one album that justifies getting a SACD release, at least IMO. I shudder to think what Pussycats in multichannel sounds like.

 

[humprof]

You're right. I always forget about Discogs. Thank you.

So, currently there is only one album that justifies getting a SACD release, at least IMO. I shudder to think what Pussycats in multichannel sounds like.

The mix is neither great nor awful, IMO. I'm sure you've got your own opinion on the relative merits of the music. @scoob's review (in the poll thread) moved me to raise my own low estimation a smidge. I'd still buy all four albums if Dutton reissed them.

 

[DuncanS]

I know people who think Nirvana is a fashion brand and not a band.

The original band or the interloper?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_(British_band)

 

[Q-Eight]

Discogs is your friend. (And, I'd usually add, the QQ "Search" box, although it doesn't get you very far in this case.) We know the quad masters still exist, as all four albums showed up in "Sony 360 Reality Audio" wrappers on the streaming services a few years ago. Tidal and Deezer eventually pulled 360 RA, but maybe not Amazon?

Schmilsson (poll)
Pussy Cats (poll)
Duit On Mon Dei (poll)
Sandman (poll)

I think it's just a matter of time. "Hurry up and wait!" kind of thing. Several albums that appeared on 360 RA format, also came out on Dutton-Vocalion SACD within a few months of each-other even! I would imagine it's all about keeping estates' happy. Bringing some money in (you'd think) would be better than NO money coming in. I'm always reminded of a quote that came from Priscilla Presley how she was worried abou the future of E.P.E. because Elvis was being reduced to nothing more than a caricature. Sure, but simultaneously she (and EPE) are doing NOTHING to maintain the mystique. When the creators/designers of the "Mafia II" video game (which mostly takes place in the 1950's) approached E.P.E. about licensing some Elvis music for the in-game radio.... what it would have cost them to license TEN Elvis songs was the same amount that it took to license 250 OTHER 1950's songs. (It was something like $1,000 per second). So, the creators decided that in their universe, Elvis didn't exist. It's an absolute shame if you ask me since that game could have exposed MILLIONS of younger folks to Elvis. But no, let's continue making his music so expensive that it no longer makes financial sense to put it out there.....

 

[steelydave]

Have there been any updates/news on titles from:

- Harry Nilsson (at least 4 albums) MoFi got the rights to his catalog a while back and while not a strict quadblock, I don't think Sony would license another set of SACDs at the same time.
- Waylon Jennings (at least 2 albums) Ladies Love Outlaws was licensed to Cherry Red in 2021 and Lonesome Onry & Mean was licensed to BGO in 2023 so probably not.
- Jerry Reed (at least 4 albums) BGO 4 on 2, 2019
- Dolly Parton (5-6 albums) Sony doesn't license these out
- Mike Nesmith (2 albums) maybe
- Harry Belafonte (2-3 albums) only one studio album 'Play Me' and one double live album that has a boring ambient mix
- Redbone (2 for sure) BGO
- John Denver (1, maybe 2 unreleased) Sony hasn't licensed any John Denver for nearly a dozen years
- Jose Feliciano (at least 4, plus Live Alive-O!) maybe
- Tanya Tucker (confirmed at least 1 unreleased album, perhaps more?) only one album

What about the Isaac Hayes albums at Stax/Enterprise? Not only are they hard-to-find today in any format; the "Truck Turner" soundtrack was never released in discrete - it was only an SQ-disc. I know Concord Music absorbed Stax.... and correct me if I'm wrong but does not Concord fit under the UMG umbrella? Are they willing to play ball yet? Concord are independent but don't care much about licensing albums other than some 60s jazz (Prestige/Milestone) to Analogue Productions, most of their money comes from licensing to film and TV. The Isaac Hayes masters are owned by his estate so the family would have to approve making it doubly unlikely.

Ozark Mt. daredevils - 1 quad, A&M quad masters presumably lost in 2008 UMG vault fire so probably not
Outlaws - 1 quad, maybe, if the tape could be found, some Arista quad masters are missing
Dave Mason - 3 quads, maybe
David Gates - 2 quads. these are warner, ask foraging rhino

Yeah I think there were suspicions or confirmations that Edgar Winter was a similar situation (in the UK), available but already licensed out for perpetuity or there about. It’s sad when the will is there and that’s just not enough to pull it over the finish line. That’s another reason that Quadio has filled a void in my life, the damn discs just keep coming out so fast my head spins. Without them I’d have a much worse sinking feeling. And then Sony puts out another repeated quad title.

The Edgar and Johnny Winter quads are regularly licensed but nothing is in perpetuity, the more people email D-V and ask for these the more likely it is that they'll take a chance on bidding for them knowing they can recoup their investment.

 

[MIDIQ]

The Edgar and Johnny Winter quads are regularly licensed but nothing is in perpetuity, the more people email D-V and ask for these the more likely it is that they'll take a chance on bidding for them knowing they can recoup their investment.

Thanks for the great insight, steelydave.
By the way, any relationship to Steely Dan? Ha Ha

 

[quicksrt]

The Edgar and Johnny Winter quads are regularly licensed but nothing is in perpetuity, the more people email D-V and ask for these the more likely it is that they'll take a chance on bidding for them knowing they can recoup their investment.

It's tongue 'n cheek humor there. And yes there are some deals made for "perpetuity or there about" locked in forever "terrestrially" just in the event we colonize the moon in a few years - you didn't know this?

 

[kenm]

Issac Hayes masters are said to have reverted back to his estate and no longer controlled by Fantasy / Concord.

Many of the titles mentioned in your post would seem good choices, and not impossible to license. But the reality might be much different. We should have seen several or a few of them by now if they were available. I’m no longer optimistic about Waylon, Jerry Reed, or Dolly. Nilsson should have had something arrive in quad by now because his big album has been reissued five times, and has included different sets of bonus tracks, and alternates.

I’m just glad RCA did some decent Q4 tapes released of several of these albums. That might be what has to hold some of us over for good.

Issac Hayes “Shaft” soundtrack (in quad) is the big album sticking out like a sore thumb.

I have Volunteers and Worst on RCA reel to reel, wish we could get those on Blu ray quad mixes. Would LOVE, Blows Against The Empire in surround, was it ever released on RCA in Quad ?