Steven Wilson Yes "Fragile" Super Deluxe Edition out in June with Dolby Atmos mix!

[Marplot]

In mine it is more like you bought what?

 

[Thonolan]

It's Terry Reid.

I know, all the info is on the SHF posts I linked myself here.

 

[RuudMans]

I know, all the info is on the SHF posts I linked myself here.

We all know now, if all if us bother to read it . Thanks for all the links and helping to clear up the mystery surrounding (no pun intended) this track.

Big question that remains though, is what the heck is it doing on Fragile?

 

[izgoblin]

We all know now, if all if us bother to read it . Thanks for all the links and helping to clear up the mystery surrounding (no pun intended) this track.

Big question that remains though, is what the heck is it doing on Fragile?

That's my question also. Anyone who has heard 1970's Yes should be able to tell the difference between them and Terry Reid. Mistakes are mistakes, but something like that should have been caught REALLY quickly. Even if they thought it could be someone other than the guys in Yes singing (which makes no sense), I figure the lyrics have to be on the internet ... all they probably had to do was Google a line or two and it would have been revealed.

 

[RuudMans]

That's my question also. Anyone who has heard 1970's Yes should be able to tell the difference between them and Terry Reid. Mistakes are mistakes, but something like that should have been caught REALLY quickly. Even if they thought it could be someone other than the guys in Yes singing (which makes no sense), I figure the lyrics have to be on the internet ... all they probably had to do was Google a line or two and it would have been revealed.

Especially because it is not the first time something like this has happened. As I pointed out earlier, something similar happened with the Tarkus remix, where they included the “Unknown Ballad”, which sounded NOTHING like ELP and turned out to be a recording by a Greg Lake produced band (whose name escapes me) but not ELP.
I wonder why nobody heard the glaringly obvious stylistic differences and vocals in both cases and didn't do more research before putting it on the release. Strange.

 

[barfle]

While I love the album, there’s still way too much “junk in the trunk” for my tastes.

I’ll wait for the stand-alone BD.

 

[ssully]

And that mystery track, 'The Dean'? Apparently it's a take from sessions for Terry Reid's third album 𝑅𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟, which was recorded twice...first with Eddy Offord producing, later with Tom Dowd. The Dowd version is the one that got released, in 1972. A whole second album's worth of material came from those two River sessions, released for the first time in 2016 as 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑂𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑆𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑅𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟, on which Offord and Dowd share production credits (the old tapes were mixed by Brian Kehew, who also mixed Progeny and bonus track on Tormato). Confusingly, 'Dean' is the name of a track on 𝑅𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟 (1972), but 'The Dean' from this Yes set isn't that track. Instead, it sounds very much like a prototype of 'Sabyla', the last track on 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑂𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑆𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑅𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑟.

Um, yeah, I wrote that on Forgotten Yesterdays's Facebook page, and also noted it earlier in this thread.

The new Super Deluxe Fragile includes as previously unreleased bonus tracks three from the gig at the Academy of Music on Feb 19 1972, when Bill was still in the band: Perpetual Change, Long Distance Runaround/The Fish, and Yours Is No Disgrace. Long time fans will hear quickly that Perpetual Change and LDR/Fish indeed are NOT the Yessongs versions. This means that we can finally pin the correct dates for the Yessongs versions: those are from the *second* Academy fo Music gig that year, February 23 , 1972.

And I wrote that too, on the FY Facebook page. It would be nice to give credit where due.

 

[beerking]

Missing Blu-ray update.

The missing disc arrived today.
I'm listening to it now
I didn't think that Mr Wilson could outdo himself.
Well he certainly has.
This is an Atmos masterpiece.
Certainly demo.

I've thanked Chloe at Burning Shed for her excellent approach to customer service.

All's well that ends well .

 

[sjcorne]

Review of the Atmos mix over at IAA: https://immersiveaudioalbum.com/yes-fragile-dolby-atmos/

 

[GOS]

Review of the Atmos mix over at IAA: https://immersiveaudioalbum.com/yes-fragile-dolby-atmos/

Nice review Jonathan.

 

[fourml8r]

Got to meet Bill in Philly last nite. He was super gracious chatting with fans and signing items.

 

[mandrix]

So how many versions are there of "America" by Yes? ...asking for an old guy with fading memory.

 

[shedsoundsmedia]

I spent the weekend with this lovely boxed set, listening thru the various versions and extras, with particular emphasis on the Dolby Atmos Mix. Here are my thoughts conveniently gathered together in one rambling, long and worthy of prog review !

 

[ssully]

So how many versions are there of "America" by Yes? ...asking for an old guy with fading memory.

Of the full track, there is
1. the original stereo mix, which has been released 'dry' on LP in 1972 and 'wet' every time thereafter, in many masterings.
2. remixes by
a)Steven Wilson, including
--2015 stereo mix*
--2015 stereo instrumental-only mix*
--2015 5.1 surround mix*
--2024 Atmos surround mix
--2024 surround instrumental-only mix (Atmos and/or 5.1? not sure)
b) 2002 5.1 surround remix by Tim Weidner on the DVD-A

3. The 45/single edit has also been released multiple times.


* I think these are also on the new Super Deluxe, but Wilson says such tracks have 'very minor' changes compared to 2015, if at all.
IOW, only the Atmos surround mix is really new.

 

[jimfisheye]

@ssully, are you saying the original Age Of Atlantic release is unique? That the versions on Yesterdays and forward (and the edited radio single) are either a different (and wetter) mix or a mastering that actually altered it with adding reverb overall?

Now I need to know if I need to head over to Ebay for that promo album or not!

 

[ssully]

@ssully, are you saying the original Age Of Atlantic release is unique?

The LP is The New Age of Atlantic

That the versions on Yesterdays and forward (and the edited radio single) are either a different (and wetter) mix

no, the mix is the same

or a mastering that actually altered it with adding reverb overall?

Yes. (Which happened to other tracks on Yesterdays too.)

Anyway, you can hear the dry version from TNAoA LP here:

 

[jimfisheye]

What about the "flat transfer" on the CTTE bluray?

 

[srbjab]

It still really bothers me that Rhino is insisting on including an LP at all in these reissues, but to use new remasterings of the original mixes instead of a hi-res flat transfer (which was included on the earlier Panegyric releases) or Steven Wilson's newest stereo remixes is baffling - especially since according to the review above the remaster just doesn't sound very good. I wonder how much cheaper this release could have been if sold as a bookset without the LP.

 

[shedsoundsmedia]

It still really bothers me that Rhino is insisting on including an LP at all in these reissues, but to use new remasterings of the original mixes instead of a hi-res flat transfer (which was included on the earlier Panegyric releases) or Steven Wilson's newest stereo remixes is baffling - especially since according to the review above the remaster just doesn't sound very good. I wonder how much cheaper this release could have been if sold as a bookset without the LP.

the remaster probably would sound just fine to most people - I'm a picky sort of person.

 

[ssully]

What about the "flat transfer" on the CTTE bluray?

[edit]

I just gave it a listen. It's the wet mastering. The way to tell very clearly is when the vocals come in, around 2:29. Squire and Bruford and Anderson are totally dry on the New Age of Atlantic version, quite wet on the 'flat transfer'. So i'd say this is a flat transfer of the Yesterdays mastering, pointing up how tricky these 'flat transfer of the master tape' claims can be.