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You must be thinking of Nick Berg the heir-apparent to all formats odd and wierd. All of us guys are getting old and dying off - we have to take young kids who have - or in whom can be cultivated - an interest in strange formats - wherever we can find `em.

We have one on the pier here in San Francisco that has a little mechanical act that goes along with it - of which the Chuck E. Cheese Show is largely reminiscent.

ah.. the joy of formats! I'm not a kid anymore but I've still got plenty of fuel in the tank and I'd like to think I'm keeping the flag flying for formats!

I collect (or have collected at one time) just about every format going, bar DAT, minidisc and reel to reel.

oh and these Tefi's which I'd never heard of before, I don't own any of those either!

Or any of the earlier variations on the tape cartridge theme, they're all too obscure, even for a format loony like me!

Apart from that.. it's a format frenzy chez moi..! :D
 
There are 26 formats that I have for audio and video. A handful of those I truly prefer: SACD, DVD-A, Blu-Ray, Reel-to-Reel and LP's. 5.1 and Quad are what excite me. Surprise! Although I don't prefer it today, the lowly cassette served me well for decades. I bought few prerecorded cassettes, but made thousands of incredible sounding cassettes, especially with dbx.
 
There are 26 formats that I have for audio and video. A handful of those I truly prefer: SACD, DVD-A, Blu-Ray, Reel-to-Reel and LP's. 5.1 and Quad are what excite me. Surprise! Although I don't prefer it today, the lowly cassette served me well for decades. I bought few prerecorded cassettes, but made thousands of incredible sounding cassettes, especially with dbx.

Making a tape for someone will always be the pinnacle of home audio sharing, the real time experience of creating the thing, creative use of biros to make interesting covers - I regret I have no equipment to make a tape for someone nor I do I have any friends who could probably play it back. But the nomenclature lives on - digital recording on the DVR or similar will always be referred to as 'taping' as in 'I taped so and so...'

But for me right now its...

'The Porpoise Song' and 'Circle Sky' from the Criterion Bluray, HEAD.

Is it just me or do you really have to crank these up? No issue with that other than I have to remember if I switch to a DVDA afterwards to avoid jangled nerves. I know this is QQ but visually these discs are incredible. My Oppo makes them sing at 24fps.
 
Head was a flop and massively underrated in it's time. It is since regarded as a cult classic and groundbreaking. Back then, it was too hip for their teeny bopper audience, and perceived as too square (which it wasn't) for the hippie audience. I've owned four copies of it, including the recent 3CD + 45 box. I have it on VHS and have wanted it on Blu-Ray. I've found it on Blu-Ray, but only in the Criterion Collection box set. The other Blu-Rays in that box are unrelated to Monkees.

In the '60's and '70's, I sold hi-fi and always demo'ed tape decks with my homebrew tapes. Quad or stereo, the tapes I made for myself or expressly for the store were used as demos, whether reels, cassettes or 8-tracks.

I had cassette capability in the car since '69. In the '70's, I had both Q8 and cassette capability in the car. From the '80's, to mid-2000's, I had both CD & cassette capability in the car. Now, it's DVD-A, DVD-V and CD.

I've had reel-to-reel since '62, and bought my first cassette in '69. Portability was my reason for getting into cassette. I've had many audiophiles and friends from the business come to my home and be wowed by my main system, only to be told, "you've been listening to a dbx cassette." Quad was the only reason I got into 8-track. Even though I have over 200 Q8's, it is my most hated format. Yet, my Q8 mix tapes done on Columbia Converta-Quad cartridges still sound stellar.

My main system has four tape decks, six digital disc drives and four hard drives. I currently own six tape decks. Even though I mostly listen to digital media and LP's today, my tape gear still sounds pretty damn good.
 
In the '60's and '70's, I sold hi-fi and always demo'ed tape decks with my homebrew tapes. Quad or stereo, the tapes I made for myself or expressly for the store were used as demos, whether reels, cassettes or 8-tracks.
I was always the one that programmed, assembled and ``mastered'' the songs onto tape in the first place in our group of friends - and then got drafted to run cassette copies thereof for `em all because I always had access to the school's Language Lab - which always had the closest-to-professional tape dubbers around - and would give CONSIDERABLY better sound - even at ``high speed'' on the leftoiver ``voice-grade'' pancakes we'd always get from the duplicators - dubbing at 30 IPS reel-speed-to-7-1/2 IPS-cassette speed.

I had cassette capability in the car since '69. In the '70's, I had both Q8 and cassette capability in the car.
We had one of the strangest contraptions I ever saw - which could play 4-track Muntz, 8-track, cassette or (with a supplied caddy) Playtape, all in the same player. of course being that much of a multi-trick pony it didn't last long - but I'd still like to run across one again just for S&G's

Even though I have over 200 Q8's, it is still my most hated format. Yet, my Q8 mix tapes done on Columbia Converta-Quad cartridges still sound stellar.
Especially if you did like we did i.e. load first cobalt-doped and later Chromium loop tape for the three seconds it was available - and had the school engineer rig up one of the older QR decks with two sets of ERP heads from an equally old Q8 deck - and then have him tweak the electronics to where they would match as close as they could under the circumstances.

In the years before the Fostex was available - this was as good as it got.

We'd record one quadraphonic program from SQ broadcasts or LP's or demodulated from CD-4 or Lou Dorren's FM multiple-subcarrier quadracasting tests that was going on in a few places but never even got officially approved until CD's were already out - stopping every 22-1/2 minutes to mark the tape to cut apart later - and then rewind, flip the switch to the other set of heads and then do the same for the second program, cut them apart, load them into the Columbia carts, splice them together on the back, put the foil on the front and go about our business.

Then the reel deck broke down and the only other one we could get the school engineer to do the same installation on was a Teac 3340 HS that ran 7-1/2 and 15 instead of 3-3/4 and 7-1/2.

So - yes - after that - each single-album would take up two tapes since the speed was doubled to 7-1/2 - but Damn did they sound terriffic loaded with either the cobalt-doped tape or the graphite-backed version of BASF LPR 35 CR.

But we didn't care, because we already had one 7-1/2 IPS Q-8 I have never heard of, read about or seen since - which must have beena duplicating mistake, loading mistake or both.

It's a Canadian copy of Patsy Cline's Greatest Hits. We found it in a truck stop when we were vacationing up in Winnipeg in about `75 or `76, I can't quite recall now.

They had four copies, and with 5 for $2 we bought all four, plus a Guess Who Greatest Hits which played normally. So we plugged in the Patsy Cline to the Q8 player in the car - and it's the wrong speed.

So we take all four copies in the house, toss them in a box and forget about them. A couple years later, we inherit a Technics Q8 recorder that has static in one channel. My dad fixes it and it gets added to the quad setup my Great Uncle Charlie left me after he died in 1973 that my dad copped.

The following summer, we're cleaning out the attic and find the box of tapes, all four copies of Patsy Cline still in their original slipcases among them - bring them down to the basement and try to play them on the 858 or whatever it was called.

And it's still the wrong speed - about which we'd totally forgotten. Then my little baby cousin is teetering around just learning to walk, and we get distracted watching so he doesn't hurt himself.

He falls over into the stereo and his hand catches the Fast Forward button that we didn't know was there - on the Technics as he tries to catch himself. Lo and behold - the right speed - albeit muted.

So my Dad takes it apart - disables the mute circuit on the Fast Forward and we try playing it again - it sounds perfect - even better than the stereo reel-to-reel we'd worn out years earlier.

We try the other three copies - and we find out we have two copies of Side One and two copies of Side Two - both split up over two quadraphonic programs. And the ``mix'' such as it was turns out to be no better or worse than what would probably have been created for the supposedly upcoming Discrete Quad FM Radio - still in its' testing phases.

Normal stereo mix up front - albeit a little narrower stereo compared to the LP - and the rears were just tracks and ambience - which we recorded off onto stereo cassette
and used for my mom to sing karaoke for years.

Like I said - I've never seen it in any Quad discography anyplace, including record club editions - and I've never come across it anyplace else ever again.
 
Head was a flop and massively underrated in it's time. It is since regarded as a cult classic and groundbreaking. Back then, it was too hip for their teeny bopper audience, and perceived as too square (which it wasn't) for the hippie audience. I've owned four copies of it, including the recent 3CD + 45 box. I have it on VHS and have wanted it on Blu-Ray. I've found it on Blu-Ray, but only in the Criterion Collection box set. The other Blu-Rays in that box are unrelated to Monkees.

It is a shame that you can't buy this on it's own - however the other films are beautifully presented - definitive versions until 4K home masters are available ;) and Easy Rider fares very well in the soundtrack department and get's equal play for the music alone. Again you really need to crank it up to really get the benefit. I'm A/B comparing the The Weight from the Big Pink DVDA against the Bluray as I type.

I believe so strongly that the HEAD Bluray is a thing of such beauty I'd loan mine out...there really is nothing like it either before or after.
 
Easy Rider is an old favorite of mine and I have an old videodisc of it.

It is a shame that you can't buy this on it's own - however the other films are beautifully presented - definitive versions until 4K home masters are available ;) and Easy Rider fares very well in the soundtrack department and get's equal play for the music alone. Again you really need to crank it up to really get the benefit. I'm A/B comparing the The Weight from the Big Pink DVDA against the Bluray as I type.

I believe so strongly that the HEAD Bluray is a thing of such beauty I'd loan mine out...there really is nothing like it either before or after.
 
Easy Rider is an old favorite of mine and I have an old videodisc of it.

It's probably considered impolite to wax lyrically about picture quality on a quad site but the main deal with both prints is they preserve the grain structure and the original colour timing. I guess visually it's the equivalent of no compression or EQ - it's as flat as it was supposed to be except that flat in this instance is a vibrant, colourful and rich picture that is smooth in large gradients like sky vistas (about half of Easy Rider) yet sharp thanks to the grain. No over sharpening through harsh filters. Maybe Criterion should get an audio division? The DTS track for the Criterion DVD of Fear and Loathing is fantastic and the blurays of Monterrey and Gimme Shelter really deliver great audio with the best print quality you'll see outside of a well kept 35/70mm cinema.

As I said earlier - I'm happy to loan both out. To paraphrase the old adage used for quad - it's like seeing them for the first time all over again :)

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"It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again." - Yogi Berra

Another Yogism:
"Nobody Goes There Anymore. It's too crowded."

To put it in context I read your post whilst listening to 'Benny and the Jets' GBYBR DVDA which seems entirely perfect :)

The company I work for is based in Grass Valley and its amazing how often a Berra quote comes up in work conversation and nails the situation perfectly in the least words possible. Genius.
 
I was always the one that programmed, assembled and ``mastered'' the songs onto tape in the first place in our group of friends - and then got drafted to run cassette copies thereof for `em all because I always had access to the school's Language Lab - which always had the closest-to-professional tape dubbers around - and would give CONSIDERABLY better sound - even at ``high speed'' on the leftoiver ``voice-grade'' pancakes we'd always get from the duplicators - dubbing at 30 IPS reel-speed-to-7-1/2 IPS-cassette speed.

We had one of the strangest contraptions I ever saw - which could play 4-track Muntz, 8-track, cassette or (with a supplied caddy) Playtape, all in the same player. of course being that much of a multi-trick pony it didn't last long - but I'd still like to run across one again just for S&G's

Especially if you did like we did i.e. load first cobalt-doped and later Chromium loop tape for the three seconds it was available - and had the school engineer rig up one of the older QR decks with two sets of ERP heads from an equally old Q8 deck - and then have him tweak the electronics to where they would match as close as they could under the circumstances.

In the years before the Fostex was available - this was as good as it got.

We'd record one quadraphonic program from SQ broadcasts or LP's or demodulated from CD-4 or Lou Dorren's FM multiple-subcarrier quadracasting tests that was going on in a few places but never even got officially approved until CD's were already out - stopping every 22-1/2 minutes to mark the tape to cut apart later - and then rewind, flip the switch to the other set of heads and then do the same for the second program, cut them apart, load them into the Columbia carts, splice them together on the back, put the foil on the front and go about our business.

Then the reel deck broke down and the only other one we could get the school engineer to do the same installation on was a Teac 3340 HS that ran 7-1/2 and 15 instead of 3-3/4 and 7-1/2.

So - yes - after that - each single-album would take up two tapes since the speed was doubled to 7-1/2 - but Damn did they sound terriffic loaded with either the cobalt-doped tape or the graphite-backed version of BASF LPR 35 CR.

But we didn't care, because we already had one 7-1/2 IPS Q-8 I have never heard of, read about or seen since - which must have beena duplicating mistake, loading mistake or both.

It's a Canadian copy of Patsy Cline's Greatest Hits. We found it in a truck stop when we were vacationing up in Winnipeg in about `75 or `76, I can't quite recall now.

They had four copies, and with 5 for $2 we bought all four, plus a Guess Who Greatest Hits which played normally. So we plugged in the Patsy Cline to the Q8 player in the car - and it's the wrong speed.

So we take all four copies in the house, toss them in a box and forget about them. A couple years later, we inherit a Technics Q8 recorder that has static in one channel. My dad fixes it and it gets added to the quad setup my Great Uncle Charlie left me after he died in 1973 that my dad copped.

The following summer, we're cleaning out the attic and find the box of tapes, all four copies of Patsy Cline still in their original slipcases among them - bring them down to the basement and try to play them on the 858 or whatever it was called.

And it's still the wrong speed - about which we'd totally forgotten. Then my little baby cousin is teetering around just learning to walk, and we get distracted watching so he doesn't hurt himself.

He falls over into the stereo and his hand catches the Fast Forward button that we didn't know was there - on the Technics as he tries to catch himself. Lo and behold - the right speed - albeit muted.

So my Dad takes it apart - disables the mute circuit on the Fast Forward and we try playing it again - it sounds perfect - even better than the stereo reel-to-reel we'd worn out years earlier.

We try the other three copies - and we find out we have two copies of Side One and two copies of Side Two - both split up over two quadraphonic programs. And the ``mix'' such as it was turns out to be no better or worse than what would probably have been created for the supposedly upcoming Discrete Quad FM Radio - still in its' testing phases.

Normal stereo mix up front - albeit a little narrower stereo compared to the LP - and the rears were just tracks and ambience - which we recorded off onto stereo cassette
and used for my mom to sing karaoke for years.

Like I said - I've never seen it in any Quad discography anyplace, including record club editions - and I've never come across it anyplace else ever again.


So how did your dad fix the static in one channel on the Technics Q8 deck. I have one that has had this problem almost from day one. Brought it to the Technics repair shop three times back in the 70's. They could never find out what was wrong. Tapping the top a little while playing affected it also. Perhaps something loose.
Phil.
 
Peter Gabriel - Secret World Live - Blu-Ray - DTS-HDMA
Jane's Additction - Strays - DVD-A (Yeah!!!!)
The Isley Brothers - 3 + 3 - Blu-ray - LPCM (swapped channels from the SACD)
Lacuna Coil - Karmacode - DVD - DTS
Nickel Creek - Nickel Creek - SACD (Gorgeous sound)
Queensryche - Empire - DVD-A
Everlast - White Trash Beautiful - SACD
Josh One - Narrow Path - DVD-A (for 1 pound 50 not bad!!!)
The Polyphonic Spree - Together We're Heavy - DVD-A
Enigma - Seven Lives Many Faces - DTS - ughhhh probably won't listen to this again!!!!
 
Peter Gabriel - Secret World Live - Blu-Ray - DTS-HDMA
Jane's Additction - Strays - DVD-A (Yeah!!!!)
The Isley Brothers - 3 + 3 - Blu-ray - LPCM (swapped channels from the SACD)
Lacuna Coil - Karmacode - DVD - DTS
Nickel Creek - Nickel Creek - SACD (Gorgeous sound)
Queensryche - Empire - DVD-A
Everlast - White Trash Beautiful - SACD
Josh One - Narrow Path - DVD-A (for 1 pound 50 not bad!!!)
The Polyphonic Spree - Together We're Heavy - DVD-A
Enigma - Seven Lives Many Faces - DTS - ughhhh probably won't listen to this again!!!!

There's an Isley Bros Blu-ray...?!?!?
 
Love - Beatles DVD-A
Greatest Hits - Friends of Distinction CD-4
The Entertainer - Virgil Fox CD-4
Hit Man Returns - David Foster w/Earth, Wind & Fire, Kenny Loggins, Chaka Khan and more Blu-Ray
Love Documentary - Beatles/Cirque de Soleil DVD-V
25th Anniversary Rock & Roll Concerts - Crosby, Stills & Nash, Stevie Wonder, Jeff Beck, Simon & Garfunkel, Sting, Jackson Browne, Bruce Springsteen, Aretha Franklin, Bill Joel, John Fogerty, U2, Mick Jagger, Annie Lennox, James Taylor, Dion, Sam Moore, Smokey Robinson & more Blu-Ray
Bitches Brew DVD-A from master reel
Lynyrd Skynyrd DVD-A
Alive in Seattle - Heart Blu-Ray Perhaps the best shot and recorded Blu-Ray and a great performance.
Airto & Flora Purim w/the Latin Jazz All-Stars DVD-V
 
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