Listening to Now (In Surround) - Volume 2

[4-earredwonder]

Any difference, sonically, from the 7"?

I didn't buy the 7" version but marpow [Markie] swears the 7" is better. I'm very happy with this one but I do have all the other Beck 7" SONY Japan SACDs.

 

[edisonbaggins]

I didn't buy the 7" version but marpow [Markie] swears the 7" is better. I'm very happy with this one but I do have all the other Beck 7" SONY Japan SACDs.

I have 3 JB on 7"? No BBB or this one. If worth it, for either, I'm in. Just lmk QQ pals.

 

[4-earredwonder]

I have 3 JB on 7"? No BBB or this one. If worth it, for either, I'm in. Just lmk QQ pals.

IMO, Mike, the Audio Fidelity version if you can still find it for a 'nice' price is EXCELLENT.

ImportCD is showing the 7" for $47 but they have a 10% discount sale going on now if you're interested https://www.importcds.com/jeff-beck-group-sacd-japanese-special-edition/4547366221633

BTW, same price @ CDJapan http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/EICP-10003?s_ssid=e32ede5d0c2a271ee7

 

[Frogmort]

On to the next one.

 

[4-earredwonder]

On to the next one.

Some set of balls on Mick Fleetwood, Frogmont!

 

[J. PUPSTER]

Getting primed for the Saturday night concert.......

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You've been playing around with your Foobar you sly devil, what version are you running?

 

[J. PUPSTER]

On to the next one.

Should've just named the album - "The Nutcracker Sweet"

 

[4-earredwonder]

When I find myself in a Frantic Mood ... what better album to play

 

[GOS]

You've been playing around with your Foobar you sly devil, what version are you running?

I dunno, I've had the same version for some time now.

 

[GOS]

Getting primed for the Saturday night concert.......

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And, I'm in the 4th row center...aisle seats. I plan to engage him.....like to get his autograph on my Dutton Vocalion SACD. Whooop

 

[Frogmort]

Steely Dan - Gaucho

As I've become more of an older person, I've come to appreciate the smooth, classy sound quality of Steely Dan and other tastefully done surround recordings more and more. Pretty much all of the Steelies, Donald Fagen, Grover Washington jr - Winelight, and pretty much all of the Gordin Goodwin albums just have such a clean, tasteful, balanced sound. This type of sound quality is just so enticing to me now. Very pleasant on the ears, good surround usage, and deep, tight bass.

 

[sjcorne]

I have 3 JB on 7"? No BBB or this one. If worth it, for either, I'm in. Just lmk QQ pals.

If you liked Rough and Ready, this one is a no-brainer as it’s the same group of musicians playing in the same style. I’m particularly fond of the opening tune, "Ice Cream Cakes".

The quad mix is typical CBS with different instruments (usually Jeff's guitar and Max Middleton's piano) solo'd in each of the rear channels to help out the SQ decoders of the day. I think it's a bit better than the quad treatment on Rough and Ready. What's interesting is about halfway through the album, the locations of the instruments completely flip: you get the guitar and piano in the front speakers and the drums isolated in the rears, split hard between left rear and right rear (again, to improve the separation coming out of those old SQ decoders). It's almost like it was mixed by two different engineers.

As for the AF SACD vs. the Sony Japan - I would just go for whatever's cheaper. They appear to be from entirely different transfers from the quad master tape and have unique masterings. The Sony Japan has the faked center/sub channels with doubled information from the mains, so it might seem like it has more bass. I'm spinning the AF right now and it sounds fantastic.

Blow By Blow is an entirely different (and more complicated) story. All three surround SACD versions are the original quad mix, again with faked center/sub channels.

The original Sony single-layer SACD and later Sony Japan hybrid both have the rear channels and center channel shifted out-of-phase (diminishing the bass response), which would indicate they are from the same transfer of the old 15 IPS quad master tape that was created in 1975. Steelydave's analysis indicates said transfer is not even high resolution (*gasp*) - it's likely from a 44.1/16 ADAT transfer of the quad master, like most of those Miller Nevada DTS-CDsa are said to be.

AP's 2016 reissue of the surround SACD fixed the out-of-phase rears, but the center channel is still out-of-phase, so if you're gonna pick that one up I'd go for the AP version. Though honestly, I have the old Columbia/Epic version and it sounds fine to my ears. The phase issues with Porcupine Tree's In Absentia didn't bother me all that much either.

 

[edisonbaggins]

If you liked Rough and Ready, this one is a no-brainer as it’s the same group of musicians playing in the same style. I’m particularly fond of the opening tune, "Ice Cream Cakes".

The quad mix is typical CBS with different instruments (usually Jeff's guitar and Max Middleton's piano) solo'd in each of the rear channels to help out the SQ decoders of the day. I think it's a bit better than the quad treatment on Rough and Ready. What's interesting is about halfway through the album, the locations of the instruments completely flip: you get the guitar and piano in the front speakers and the drums isolated in the rears, split hard between left rear and right rear (again, to improve the separation coming out of those old SQ decoders). It's almost like it was mixed by two different engineers.

As for the AF SACD vs. the Sony Japan - I would just go for whatever's cheaper. They appear to be from entirely different transfers from the quad master tape and have unique masterings. The Sony Japan has the faked center/sub channels with doubled information from the mains, so it might seem like it has more bass. I'm spinning the AF right now and it sounds fantastic.

Blow By Blow is an entirely different (and more complicated) story. All three surround SACD versions are the original quad mix, again with faked center/sub channels.

The original Sony single-layer SACD and later Sony Japan hybrid both have the rear channels and center channel shifted out-of-phase (diminishing the bass response), which would indicate they are from the same transfer of the old 15 IPS quad master tape that was created in 1975. Steelydave's analysis indicates said transfer is not even high resolution - it's likely from a 44.1/16 ADAT transfer of the quad master, like most of those Miller Nevada DTS-CDsa are said to be.

AP's 2016 reissue of the surround SACD fixed the out-of-phase rears, but the center channel is still out-of-phase, so if you're gonna pick that one up I'd go for the AP version. Though honestly, I have the old Sony version and it sounds fine to my ears. The phase issues with Porcupine Tree's In Absentia didn't bother me all that much either.

No BBB 7"?

 

[sjcorne]

No BBB 7"?

The Sony Japan version I was referring is the 7", but it's exactly the same as the old Columbia/Epic.

https://www.discogs.com/Jeff-Beck-Blow-By-Blow/release/7016529

 

[edisonbaggins]

The Sony Japan version I was referring is the 7", but it's exactly the same as the old Columbia/Epic.

https://www.discogs.com/Jeff-Beck-Blow-By-Blow/release/7016529

For clarity, I have JBG on AF and BBB on AP. Any need for either 7"?!?!?!?!

 

[sjcorne]

For clarity, I have JBG on AF and BBB on AP. Any need for either 7"?!?!?!?!

Ah, I understand - I see no need to double dip on either, unless you've gotta have that 7" packaging.

 

[Frogmort]

Yes - Relayer

 

[edisonbaggins]

Steven Wilson To the Bone
Blu-ray Audio LPCM 5.1
Exquisite. More please...

 

[Mesozoic Mike]

Danny Elfman - Serenada Schizophrana. SACD 5.1 Hard to type, but great listening.

 

[perzon57]

I have 3 JB on 7"? No BBB or this one. If worth it, for either, I'm in. Just lmk QQ pals.

I baught the BBB and it's so much better than the DTS CD.