Thanks for the props. I know... hard to believe, even when it comes from Roger.What's amazing is that @rontoon was right all along.
The delay of this release had nothing to do with the mix itself (or Gilmour's preference for working with Andy Jackson.)
It was all down to "petty, internal squabbles" (rontoon's words) over SLEEVE NOTES...
WOW...
I could be wrong, but I doubt Roger would be posting this video along with the new cover art at the very end unless they actually have all agreed on the final release.
Is it too much to hope for a July release of "Animals" and a November release of "The Wall" 5.1 mix?
(Hopefully Roger, David, and Nick learned their lessons with this release and won't have the 5.1 mix of "The Wall" delayed because of sleeve notes...)
Hope Springs Eternal!!!
Nothing amazing about RonToon being right!What's amazing is that @rontoon was right all along.
The delay of this release had nothing to do with the mix itself (or Gilmour's preference for working with Andy Jackson.)
It was all down to "petty, internal squabbles" (rontoon's words) over SLEEVE NOTES...
WOW...
I could be wrong, but I doubt Roger would be posting this video along with the new cover art at the very end unless they actually have all agreed on the final release.
Is it too much to hope for a July release of "Animals" and a November release of "The Wall" 5.1 mix?
(Hopefully Roger, David, and Nick learned their lessons with this release and won't have the 5.1 mix of "The Wall" delayed because of sleeve notes...)
Hope Springs Eternal!!!
After posting the liner notes on his website…..Now for Obscured By Clouds and Meddle to get there due! @rontoon any rumors about those since the settled on an Animals release?
With all my respect to Mark Blake, the notes posted by Roger and rejected by David do not add nothing at all to the release. They add 0 details to the history of the album we all now and look more like a teenager's summary rather than proper, well researched and in depth notes to honour such a cornerstone album. I had the same impression after reading the poor liner notes coming with The Early Years box.After posting the liner notes on his website…..
Reading through some old posts in this thread, rontoon’s post makes all this sound like a miracle any of these get released given the bickering and tape issues. Is there any chance in hell for a proper surround release of “The Wall”?Guthrie mentioned in interviews working on The Wall in 5.1 as far back as 2011. It was brought up during The Wall Immersion release as well as the WYWH and Amused to Death SACD releases. The Wall was slated to be worked on next while Guthrie remarked that he would like to work on Animals. He also mentioned the problematic state of the original multitracks. Here we are 8 years later with Animals in 5.1 slated to be released this year and no word about The Wall in years. It's not such a huge leap to assume that The Wall project has been problematic, perhaps it still is, when Animals has been done and dusted in the interim. If there were other multitrack options available Mr. Guthrie would know better than anyone.
Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here: SACD review and interviews including James Guthrie
Is Pink Floyd's The Wall Immersion edition going to have a 5.1 Surround Mix?
James: My understanding is that EMI plan to stick to their release schedule for the 'Why Pink Floyd?' campaign, which means there wouldn't be time to include a 5.1 mix in 'The Wall' Immersion Box. I will be doing a 5.1 mix of The Wall for release on SACD, but we don't have a planned release date for that yet. The original multitrack tapes are in pretty bad shape, so the project will take some time. I'm currently working on a Blu-ray release of 'The Wall' Movie.
By "the original multitrack tapes being in pretty bad shape" - are you referring to the Ampex (or other brand) reel tapes manufactured post 1978 that can gum up tape machines and shed magnetic oxide?
James: Yes. Half-way (ish) through the 70s, and unbeknownst to all of us in the studio world, the tape manufacturers changed the formula of the glue that bonds the oxide to the backing of the tape. I'm told that the original glue contained whale oil, so they had to change to a synthetic oil and that synthetic oil unfortunately causes the glue to break down over time, producing a gummy substance that seeps through the oxide making the tapes unplayable. Fortunately, a bright spark bravely discovered that you could bake the tapes and then safely play them a few times. But, that's not the only challenge when it comes to restoration - Edits, or tape splices, and the breakdown of the glue in the splicing tape that holds those edits together, have caused huge problems. I made hundreds of edits on both the 2" and the ¼” tapes of 'The Wall', so you start to get an idea of how time-consuming the restoration can be.
Additionally, there was a manufacturing period of 2 or 3 years where the tapes were particularly unstable. Of course, they appeared fine at the time. Both 'The Wall' and 'The Final Cut' albums are recorded on the peak of that bad tape.
Are any other Floyd multitrack tapes, in your experience, suffering from this particular problem?
James: Everything after 1976 or 1977 is susceptible to the problem. Even the tape we are using now. And it's not just the multitrack tapes that are affected – the ¼” and ½” masters are in the same predicament.
Some more interviews where he mentioned working on The Wall in 5.1
Building the 5.1 Wall: Producer James Guthrie Discusses Pink Floyd and Roger Waters’ Surround Sound Plans at Academic Conference | SoundBard
During the Q&A portion, Guthrie confirmed he’d like to do more Pink Floyd 5.1 mixes, but that it often comes down to a matter of the time available on his and the band’s collective schedules, so “don’t hold your breath.” That said, he was willing to concede that The Wall seems to be the most likely next candidate in the 5.1 queue, but the album he’d be most interested to do in surround is Animals.
An Interview With James Guthrie Perfect 5.1 Sense Interview By Mike Mettler
One thing Guthrie can confirm is his next surround assignment: "I'm going to be starting a 5.1 mix of The Wall soon — the original studio album, that is," he reports. "And we have discussed Animals." No timetable on when The Wall in 5.1 will be completed for release as of yet, but rest assured, we'll be right on top of it.
Pink Floyd: The Wall 5.1 coming to SACD says James Guthrie – SuperDeluxeEdition
Pink Floyd engineer James Guthrie has confirmed that he will be mixing The Wallalbum in 5.1 Surround and that this mix will appear on SACD (Super Audio CD), although there is no release date planned as yet.
The Wall in 5.1 should be up next. AFAIK, Meddle and OBC multichannel mixes are still shelved indefinitely.Reading through some old posts in this thread, rontoon’s post makes all this sound like a miracle any of these get released given the bickering and tape issues. Is there any chance in hell for a proper surround release of “The Wall”?
Because they were done by Mr. Jackson and not by Mr. Guthrie?The Wall in 5.1 should be up next. AFAIK, Meddle and OBC multichannel mixes are still shelved indefinitely.
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