Quadio bundle #4. Let the speculation begin!

[JediJoker]

How would you define a different mix if not different information in different channels?

Mixes done at different times from scratch. A revision to an older mix doesn't really qualify as a new mix to this engineer.

 

[somethingcleveridunno]

Mixes done at different times from scratch. A revision to an older mix doesn't really qualify as a new mix to this engineer.

Fair enough.

 

[fredblue]

Mixes done at different times from scratch. A revision to an older mix doesn't really qualify as a new mix to this engineer.

there was a suggestion at one point (circa 2003) that Elliot Scheiner had gone right back and started from scratch.

High Fidelity Review had an article about it back then saying as much.

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=12737878
Steely Dan and Peter Frampton Surround SACDs Released

Universal Music has released two long awaited Multichannel SACDs this week by Steely Dan and Peter Frampton.

The new SACDs are Steely Dan's album Gaucho and the multi-million selling album Frampton Comes Alive! Both SACDs feature SACD Surround Sound and SACD Stereo tracks, with Gaucho also offering a CD Audio track for compatibility with CD players. Universal also announced some additional release dates for upcoming SACDs, including October release dates for The Who's "Tommy" and Ludacris' "Chickens and Beer" albums on Multichannel SACD disc.

Gaucho
Steely Dan
SACD Surround Sound/SACD Stereo/CD Audio Disc
(MCA Records B0000868-36)

Steely Dan's Gaucho album appeared in a 5.1 Surround mix in 1997 as a DTS Music Disc. When Universal Music first announced their plans to release SACDs, the album was among the first group of catalog albums intended for release on Multichannel SACD. The release was delayed when producer/engineer Elliot Scheiner asked Universal Music to consider a new 5.1 hi rez audio remix to take advantage of advances in audio technology in the intervening years.

For this edition of Gaucho in SACD Surround Sound, the original master tapes were pulled from the Universal Tape Archive. Scheiner worked with restoration specialist Bruce Maddocks at Cups 'n Strings in Santa Monica to bake most of the master tapes so they could be used in this project. A completely new mix was created for the release which Scheiner has said is even more ambitious that the DTS version with more instruments appearing in the Surround Channels this time around. The new SACD was mastered by Bob Ludwig at Gateway Mastering. Ludwig also handled the mastering on the CD edition of the album as well according to the liner notes.

Listening to the SACD, I think Scheiner has succeeded - both in updating the sonics of the album and in creating an even more exciting Surround mix than before. This will be an SACD that Steely Dan fans will want to pick up for sure.

 

[Bill B]

You misunderstand the issue, at least re: Steely Dan. Although it started as an independent reissue label, Rhino is now a subsidiary of Warner Music Group (WMG). Rhino only releases reissues of WMG catalogue material. If it's not in the WMG catalogue—which includes the labels Warner Bros., Elektra, and Atlantic, among others, as well as some releases that originated on other labels (such as the Chicago and War catalogues)—it's not fair game for Rhino. This is why Rhino would never release Steely Dan material of any kind, quadraphonic or not. As to why the Steely Dan quad mixes won't be rereleased at all, that'll be down to Donald Fagen, who is the final decision maker for the Dan catalogue.

As for actual WMG catalogue titles, although the minimum bar is met for Quadio, there may be additional hurdles for certain artists and albums. Generally, living artists have some say in what gets released. So, if—for example—Don Henley doesn't want the Eagles' quad mixes rereleased, that's that. In other cases, estates of deceased artists may want to prevent a particular release. The only way to guarantee an album is releasable, assuming the master tapes are available, is if all rights now reside with WMG.

So that’s it… we have to hope the two Dons die before we do if we ever hope to see them released. Bummer.
Time to invest in a couple of voodoo dolls

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Just making sure I understand, are you saying that the next batch of 4 can only be from this list?

Absolutely not, no.

This is only the list of UNRELEASED QUADS that were verified as being in the WEA Vault , as vetted by Steve Woolard aka Foraging Rhino.

Therefore when people ask about a maybe unreleased quad , such as those from the mid 70's Schwann Record And Tape Guide..........
example Todd Rundgren Initiation ...it does not exist , sadly.
(BTW That listing was supplied by WEA for Schwann , and at that time showed so much promise.)

You should know that that listing of upcoming Quads from 75 , contained approximately 20 titles , which suggested a lot of great releases for WEA 'S quadraphonic (quadradisc) program.

Now additionally some of those named titles from1975 no longer belong to WEA.
Titles such as The Beach Boys Good Vibrations, Jimi Hendrix Crash Landing ,
and Black Oak Arkansas Street Party , to name a few.

Plus we know of 2 on that list that have been recently (in this millenium) released.....
Jethro Tull , Minstrel In The Gallery CD/DVD and Billy Cobham Spectrum SACD


-fizzy

 

[Uncle Obscure]

That unreleased list is fascinating. Do you think there's any chance Rhino could test the waters with a Quadio bundle made up entirely of CNX titles? Now, that would be something! Assuming they're still under WEA control, James Taylor - Sweet Baby James, Jethro Tull - M.U. (Best Of), Allman Brothers - Brothers and Sisters, and Bonnie Raitt - Taking My Time, sounds like a sure-fire winning lineup to me.

 

[privateuniverse]

That unreleased list is fascinating. Do you think there's any chance Rhino could test the waters with a Quadio bundle made up entirely of CNX titles? Now, that would be something! Assuming they're still under WEA control, James Taylor - Sweet Baby James, Jethro Tull - M.U. (Best Of), Allman Brothers - Brothers and Sisters, and Bonnie Raitt - Taking My Time, sounds like a sure-fire winning lineup to me.

Not sure about the others, but according to ForagingRhino, the Bonnie Raitt title does not exist in the WEA vaults. It may have never actually been mixed.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Warner..Electra..Asylum quadradisc listing. Circa 75. For Quadio requests.
Note ;
This listing is incomplete as there were at least 10 more on WEA ...
Such as Eagles One Of These Nights , Joni Mitchell Hissing Of Summer Lawns,
Carly Simon Best , Tony Orlando and Dawn To Be With You , David Gates Never Let Her Go, Judy Collins Judith , Randy Newman Sail Away , (Emerson Lake and Palmer Welcome Back....), and the Nonesuch Classicals .

 

[fizzywiggs41]

That unreleased list is fascinating. Do you think there's any chance Rhino could test the waters with a Quadio bundle made up entirely of CNX titles? Now, that would be something! Assuming they're still under WEA control, James Taylor - Sweet Baby James, Jethro Tull - M.U. (Best Of), Allman Brothers - Brothers and Sisters, and Bonnie Raitt - Taking My Time, sounds like a sure-fire winning lineup to me.

They already have done just that and sadly none of those exist.
I went over ALL , the CNX or unreleased quads with Steve Woolard aka Foraging Rhino and that's why there are only SIX vetted titles available in the WEA vault.

Not only did I go over that list but also some rumoured titles as well.

Allman Brothers and Bonnie Raitt are no longer part of WEA , fwiw.

Jethro Tull MU best of does not exist . That one I kinda expected a negative on as Steven Wilson would have mentioned its existence since he has done for all the quads from Jethro Tull.... all 4 and a half of them.

 

[jefe1]

If we are lucky something unexpected will turn up mis catalogued etc
Thanks for your research
There might be unfinished mixing projects that got dropped and filed away when Quad collapsed.

 

[jefe1]

Of course if multitracks still exist there is nothing to stop modern quad remixes from being done but that costs money and atmos seems to be the focus now along with streaming.

 

[4-earredwonder]

Of course if multitracks still exist there is nothing to stop modern quad remixes from being done but that costs money and atmos seems to be the focus now along with streaming.

But sometimes, Jeffie, Excellent QUAD remixes can sound better than slapdash ATMOS!

 

[jefe1]

I will believe that but I dont have an atmos setup so only hear them downmixed.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

If we are lucky something unexpected will turn up mis catalogued etc
Thanks for your research
There might be unfinished mixing projects that got dropped and filed away when Quad collapsed.

I hold out hope for 1 or 2 "misfiled" quad masters , sigh

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Of course if multitracks still exist there is nothing to stop modern quad remixes from being done but that costs money and atmos seems to be the focus now along with streaming.

Correct .
And Steve mentioned that as a very real possibility , and there are so many great album masters at WEA.

 

[JonUrban]

Here's that whole CD-4 insert for those interested. I posted it in hirez a few years ago

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/threads/cd-4-advert-from-daysgoneby-the-big-one.26387/

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Just thought of two I missed from that 75ish catalogue ;

Souther Hillman Furay Band-Trouble In Paradise
Roberta Flack - Killing Me Softly

(There may be a couple of others ).

AND....

Labels or Artists WEA gained since the olde quad days include..

Grunt with..Jefferson Starship (3) , plus Hot Tuna (3) , Papa John Creach , Grace Slick Paul Kantner -Sunfighter , Jefferson Airplane Bark.

Far Out Productions with.... War (3) , Eric Burdon -Sun Secrets

Custom-Curtis Mayfield (2)

Kraftwerk-Autobahn (possibly , as their albums are now on WEA streaming)

Z Z Top-Tres Hombres

 

[sunra]

I would like to see more of the Grunts released. Bark is an uneven album but has several really good tracks. Hot Tuna America’s Choice. Dragonfly.

 

[JDeanB]

I am a little surprised there are not more rock fans asking for the James Gang Miami album considering Tommy Bolin's involvement. He wrote or co-wrote all of the songs, and was the band's guitarist at the time. I listened to it today for the first time in a long while and enjoyed it.

 

[JDeanB]

I would like to see more of the Grunts released. Bark is an uneven album but has several really good tracks. Hot Tuna America’s Choice. Dragonfly.

I love Bark, in part, because of some of the oddball tracks ("Thunk", for example). Would love for it to be released.