Santana "Borboletta" 7-inch Sony Japan MultiCh SACD coming November 6th, 2024

[4-earredwonder]

Me too with DHL shipping.
Added a few other items to spread the shipping. One was a proxy item which added some fees but still cheaper than what I would pay here
Am upgrading my 2003 Toto sacd to the new one with extras... added Joni Mitchell Blue MQA since 4 ears likes that version and its cheaper than amazon.
When you think you are saving money you are still spending it.......

BTW, Jeffie, both marpow and cbmmm3 swear by the Van Halen MQA remasters and they’re certainly cheaper than the MoFi Stereo SACDs. I will probably likewise add them to my order for Barboletta and Nyro!

https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/searchuni?term.media_format=&q=Van+Halen+MQA

 

[fredblue]

I don't know as much as the rest of you but when advertised as the ultra rare Quad mix, how true is that statement?
Has anyone on QQ made a list of the most rare 4 channel quads?

I just purchased.

i wouldn't say ultra rare, borderline scarce nowadays maybe but there are far rarer CBS Quads imho

fwiw it was released on Columbia in both the U.S. and Canada on both SQ Quad LP and Q8 Quad 8-track tape and in The Netherlands on SQ Quad LP and also in Israel on SQ Quad LP, so it's not hard to track down the Quad in some shape or form to this day.

above all, for me it has a great Glen Kolotkin mix, the last truly worthwhile Santana Quad mix (chronologically-speaking, "Amigos" & "Festival" are fake/dud mixes, unfortunately) and is just a lovely album

 

[The Rang]

In my experience, Rang, they ship the entire order when ALL the items are in stock thus saving on DHL s/h charges. I also want to order the Laura Nyro upcoming QUAD and that won’t be released until November 27th so I would have to wait until that date to complete my order.

Thanks, that’s good to know. I’ll place an order now and add a few other goodies to spread the shipping. Maybe Carananserai and Welcome.
Do they charge at the time of order or when it ships?

 

[fizzywiggs41]

IIRC , the original Borboletta Japanese album had a shiny metallic sleeve .
Now that's a rarity.

And I think a Miles Davis Japanese quad album had the same thing , but later releases were like the regular album . That might hold true with Borboletta as well.

 

[steelydave]

i wouldn't say ultra rare, borderline scarce nowadays maybe but there are far rarer CBS Quads imho

fwiw it was released on Columbia in both the U.S. and Canada on both SQ Quad LP and Q8 Quad 8-track tape and in The Netherlands on SQ Quad LP and also in Israel on SQ Quad LP, so it's not hard to track down the Quad in some shape or form to this day.

above all, for me it has a great Glen Kolotkin mix, the last truly worthwhile Santana Quad mix (chronologically-speaking, "Amigos" & "Festival" are fake/dud mixes, unfortunately) and is just a lovely album

Adam's said it all really, but just with regards to the rarity of CBS-family mixes I think the general rule of thumb would be that the later in the quad era they came out the less copies were printed and thefore the rarer the titles are.

CBS's first quad releases came out in January or February of 1972 (that big batch of gold-bordered ones that included Abraxas, etc.) and the final batch came out at the end of April 1977 (Musicmagic, Go for Your Guns, Conquistador)

Obviously there's no way of saying exactly how rare something is, but if I was trying to give you a sense of it, I'd say that the rarity of titles (in terms of how difficult they are to find today) doubled each year. So let's say that we make a scale where 100 is most common and 1 is most rare.

Year	Commonality Score	Sample album from that year (artist/title)
1972	100	Santana - Abraxas
1973	50	Blood Sweat & Tears - Greatest Hits
1974	25	Rick Derringer - Spring Fever / Santana - Borboletta
1975	12.5	Jeff Beck - Blow by Blow / Aerosmith - Toys in the Attic
1976	6.25	Billy Joel - Turnstiles / Chicago - X
1977	3.125	Return to Forever - Musicmagic / Isley Bros - Go for Your Guns

Like I said this isn't an exact science - the slope probably isn't quite so linear, like a lot of the 1973 titles are probably higher than a 50, but by the same token other things are much tougher to find, like most of the albums from black artists (the PIR quads, Earth, Wind & Fire, etc.) are much scarcer than their white counterparts from the same years. But I think it gives you some idea of how much tougher it is to find a 1977 CBS SQ album than it is to find one from 1972, even with the internet. I posted some sales figures that CBS reported for a few of their SQ LPs and Abraxas was far and away the leader with about 250,000 sold. I'd be surprised if any of those 1977 albums had even 10,000 copies pressed.

 

[Mesozoic Mike]

Ordered. O my aching wallet.

 

[4-earredwonder]

Ordered. O my aching wallet.

Maybe then just one drink instead of two, Mike! LOL!

 

[Scott M4]

Just had my first (stereo) listen on Apple Music and I think this will be my new #2 fave (after Caravanserai). Ordered!

 

[Scott65]

Ordered!

 

[CymruQuad]

CD Japan GBP £22.49 plus postage on sale now pre-order 6th November.

https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/S...paign=Santana-20241009-person_prod-SICP-10155

 

[splinter]

I am in, too. After the other thread speculated about the release I feared it might not come any time soon... if it only was always like this when speculations are going on here And thanks to whoever mentioned Laura Nyro - never heard of her before, but after some short research now ordered her SACD as well, which makes the postage a little more worthwhile.

 

[Andre Looijestijn]

For me, my Santana SACD collection will now be complete !

 

[Cassetto]

It looks like they might skip Illuminations then, given that it came out before Borboletta. We already have it from DV, so no big deal.

Still hoping that they will add a few other missing quad titles like Mahavishnu Orchestra’s Between Nothingness and Eternity. Also, Herbie Hancock’s Thrust is 50 years this year…though the Audio Fidelity release left nothing to desire.

It looks like they might skip Illuminations then, given that it came out before Borboletta. We already have it from DV, so no big deal.

Still hoping that they will add a few other missing quad titles like Mahavishnu Orchestra’s Between Nothingness and Eternity. Also, Herbie Hancock’s Thrust is 50 years this year…though the Audio Fidelity release left nothing to desire.

The quad mix of Illuminations is currently in print on SACD hybrid on Vocalion in the UK. Though Vocalion issued Santana Live with Buddy Miles and that ended up in the Japanese 7” series… https://www.duttonvocalion.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=CDSML8530

 

[perzon57]

Don't usually buy quad SACD's anymore, but I ordered this to complete my Santana collection. Choose FedEx priority as DHL was way to pricey.

 

[rjstauber]

So happy to see this finally being released. My favorite Santana album (I love the singer).

Is there no Quad mix for "Festival"?

 

[CymruQuad]

So happy to see this finally being released. My favorite Santana album (I love the singer).

Is there no Quad mix for "Festival"?

Yes but apparently dubious double stereo. Columbia PCQ 34423

Also Santana – Stereo Pop Special-139 CN 2725/SQ recorded live at the Hammersmith Odeon, London, UK 1976-December-15

 

[aoxomoxoa]

I told myself no more new purchases this year after the Jethro Tull sets.
But this is a must! Ordered and salivating.

 

[esimms86]

It looks like they might skip Illuminations then, given that it came out before Borboletta. We already have it from DV, so no big deal.

Still hoping that they will add a few other missing quad titles like Mahavishnu Orchestra’s Between Nothingness and Eternity. Also, Herbie Hancock’s Thrust is 50 years this year…though the Audio Fidelity release left nothing to desire.

+1 on Mahavishnu; I love that album!

 

[jhw59]

Ordered and used my points right before they were due to expire! Registered airmail fine for me.

 

[splinter]

Ordered and used my points right before they were due to expire! Registered airmail fine for me.

Lucky you, I had a couple of hundred points expire earlier this year.

After good experiences with DHL Express the last times (I was impressed by their speed) I tried registered airmail for budget reasons this time as well. As I ordered Santana together with Laura Nyro I will have to wait until the end of November anyway, so this will be a nice pre-Xmas present for myself