Suggestions for Dutton Vocalion Multichannel SACD Releases

[jefe1]

Thanks for the quick rundown on the Guess Who quads I haven't heard these. I trust DV judgement as to which ones to release.

 

[JonUrban]

Just look at this listing of Columbia quadraphonic releases and marvel at how many have actually been fully restored and released as discrete SACD, DVD, BluRay and/or DVD-Audio discs. It's quite remarkable. Thanks to the folks at labels like Audio Fidelity and Dutton-Vocalion, what seemed unimaginable in 1990 is astonishing in 2019.

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/Columbia.htm

 

[lennon fan]

Just look at this listing of Columbia quadraphonic releases and marvel at how many have actually been fully restored and released as discrete SACD, DVD, BluRay and/or DVD-Audio discs. It's quite remarkable. Thanks to the folks at labels like Audio Fidelity and Dutton-Vocalion, what seemed unimaginable in 1990 is astonishing in 2019.

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/Columbia.htm

Jon, to me this shows quad never really died, it was just seriously mishandled in classic vhs/betamax fashion, lol.

If you look at the totality of surround mixes we've gotten over the decades, it really adds up. ...and more each year, I mean,
Electric Ladyland and the White Album were a longing satisfied at last...
..and I don't know if you've heard those Eric Hard to Find 45s or Doo Wop cds, but I finally believe it's possible to remix with modern tech and make it convincing even from a mono source. Just imagine, perhaps in a few years they will fully be able to restore very vintage recordings and make them multi channel and it will sound wonderful, not like reprocessed stereo crap from the late '60s.

 

[quicksrt]

This batch of reissues is underwhelming? Boy, I think some of you have your expectations too high. What could you possibly expect that's any higher profile than this, and still within reach for D-V? War? Unreleased Mahavishnu, Stanley Clarke or Joni Mitchell? The core Santana albums? I am sure Michael Dutton would do any of those in a heartbeat, but I have a hard time seeing those licensed.

We don't know what is within reach of D/V so far as licensing. It's been a "wait and see" situation. I can imagine titles that are not available right now could all of a sudden in 2020 become available. And I like to keep my expectations high always. I can imagine higher profile titles than even these trickling out. I don't have any doubts that Stanley Clarke could be licensed and released. If Return to Forever, Weather Report and Mahavishnu Orch can be licensed, then why not Clarke? I don't have any problem visualizing "School Days" or another Mahavishnu. D/V might have it all in the bag, but decided that they have a RTF, a WR, and now Hancock, and don't want a fusion title out just yet. It could be all ready to press, but holding on until the other fusion titles are well along.

I have a feeling that they could have had Best of Guess Who Vol. 2 out two years ago, but wanted to do Road Food / #10 first. It's just pacing the titles and pacing the hit content along with other issues to contend with. But I would never take the approach to lower expectations, just not what I do. Even if Waylon Jennings seems elusive in quad at this time, I can wait it out a little longer. But I gotta admit, with each Charlie Rich, Dottie West, and Lynn Anderson quad SACD that arrives, Waylon looks less likely to me. These are just my opinions, hopefully it's ok to write opinions on these topics.

 

[JonUrban]

Clint has a point. If I had to choose between:

CHOICE A: Announce a title with good intentions, then have it delayed for 3-36 months due to legal or technical bullcrap

or

CHOICE B: Wait endlessly for a new title to be announced, BUT be able to order it AT THE ANNOUNCEMENT

Well, I think we'd all choose CHOICE B.

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So, we all have points and we all know what we mean and what we think but that doesn't mean everyone else does. Chill out, be friendly and remember it's the internet. Nothing is real and no one is above anyone else. I love harmonies and naturally I love harmony.

And I especially love harmony at QQ.

 

[quicksrt]

Just look at this listing of Columbia quadraphonic releases and marvel at how many have actually been fully restored and released as discrete SACD, DVD, BluRay and/or DVD-Audio discs. It's quite remarkable. Thanks to the folks at labels like Audio Fidelity and Dutton-Vocalion, what seemed unimaginable in 1990 is astonishing in 2019.

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/Columbia.htm

Yes, about 90 titles there out on digital disc, and some of them are the hottest rock / pop albums ever mixed into quad.

We are now in a race against time. I see another 30 or so titles there that are top tier Columbias out of the rock / pop listed, "must haves" before the world ends.

I really am happy that in 2019, between Sony SACD, Warner DVD-A, DTS, AF, and D/V, (oh and BluRay), and then those killer QRs, it's possible to demo surround for folks in your living room and have them totally floored by the sound, experience and the music titles at your fingertips. I'm doing just that, and having a great time not running out of material that is mixed well, and great music to boot. It only took 15 or 20 years to get us to where we are now.

 

[bmoura]

Clint has a point. If I had to choose between:

CHOICE A: Announce a title with good intentions, then have it delayed for 3-36 months due to legal or technical bullcrap

or

CHOICE B: Wait endlessly for a new title to be announced, BUT be able to order it AT THE ANNOUNCEMENT

Well, I think we'd all choose CHOICE B.

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So, we all have points and we all know what we mean and what we think but that doesn't mean everyone else does. Chill out, be friendly and remember it's the internet. Nothing is real and no one is above anyone else. I love harmonies and naturally I love harmony.

And I especially love harmony at QQ.

It's a no-win dilemma for the record labels and the reissue companies.

Some customers badger them about when are they going to release more albums by a certain artist or in a certain format. In some cases because there have been rumors about that next album.
While other customers complain when a release date gets moved, even though that is often due to circumstances out of the control of the record label or reissue company.

That explains why some choose to announce early.
And others wait until near or on the release date.

It's just life in the music industry.....

 

[privateuniverse]

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/Columbia.htm

Jon, the next time you update the list, add the Japanese SACD of Bitches Brew!

 

[JonUrban]

Jon, the next time you update the list, add the Japanese SACD of Bitches Brew!

THANKS! DONE..............

 

[Old Quad Guy]

I would love to have Ray Price's Quad "For The Good Times" get the DV treatment. Ray Price has other great titles released in the 70s, that didn't get mixed into Quad AFAIK. But if a new Quad mix of some of his other Columbia 70s titles also got the DV treatment, that's asking way too much. Man, I didn't realize I liked Country music so much, but "For The Good Times" sure brings back part of that era. The music is timeless.

Would also love a 2'fer of the other Charlie Rich Quads. Really got to have those.

 

[erebus]

I said this once before, but would love to see DV release the quad version of Don Ellis’s Tears of Joy.

 

[Scott65]

I'm happy to see (and buy!) any new DV releases at the prices they charge

 

[kap'n krunch]

I'll have to join Jon and his POV... even though I am not a big fan of 3 of the 4 new releases from DV and I am not the kind of person to buy whatever comes out, I just buy the ones I am interested in and know I'll listen to again, you have to give DV a shitload of credit for releasing these discs AND at such an affordable price... so , if I didn't even like any of their releases I'd be very happy we are getting these and my QQ brethren are digging them!!!
Rock on, Wizard from Watford!!!!

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Clint has a point. If I had to choose between:

CHOICE A: Announce a title with good intentions, then have it delayed for 3-36 months due to legal or technical bullcrap

or

CHOICE B: Wait endlessly for a new title to be announced, BUT be able to order it AT THE ANNOUNCEMENT

Well, I think we'd all choose CHOICE B.

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So, we all have points and we all know what we mean and what we think but that doesn't mean everyone else does. Chill out, be friendly and remember it's the internet. Nothing is real and no one is above anyone else. I love harmonies and naturally I love harmony.

And I especially love harmony at QQ.

The other thing about Choice A that is bad...is when the announcement is abused....In Choice B you aren't constantly reminded of the title...but what Acoustic Sounds is doing is just wrong...first it was due at the end of summer...then the fall...then the winter...ever since it's been coming soon...c'mon now...it's not feasible that they don't have a better estimate than that...2 years of excuses...it's a joke...

 

[4-earredwonder]

The other thing about Choice A that is bad...is when the announcement is abused....In Choice B you aren't constantly reminded of the title...but what Acoustic Sounds is doing is just wrong...first it was due at the end of summer...then the fall...then the winter...ever since it's been coming soon...c'mon now...it's not feasible that they don't have a better estimate than that...2 years of excuses...it's a joke...

Unfortunately, since SACD is hardly a priority of Acoustic Sounds, there are hordes of TBA Stereo SACDs which to this day have NOT been released. If you recall, when marpow was at that Acoustic Sounds blues festival in Salinas, KS recently he broached the subject of MULTICHANNEL SACDs with Chad Kassem and Mr. Kassem WINCED!

IMO, Dutton has the right philosophy: NO pre~announcements until the actual shipment of SACDs reach their warehouse. Pre~orders to a smallish company are a bookkeeping nuisance, anyway!

BTW, my recent D~V order included the equivalent of 7 SACDs [including 2 two~fers] so if one does the math the delivered price comes out to $12.87 per album [including VISA charges for processing foreign transactions]!

 

[Audiowannabee]

Bless DV

 

[Ninecats]

Bless DV

Best label in in the world right now!

 

[winopener]

CHOICE B: Wait endlessly for a new title to be announced, BUT be able to order it AT THE ANNOUNCEMENT
Well, I think we'd all choose CHOICE B.

The only drawback (a lovely drawback...) of Choice B is that when they release a bunch of four that are all good for you you're risking heartache number nine...

 

[Clint Eastwood]

The only drawback (a lovely drawback...) of Choice B is that when they release a bunch of four that are all good for you you're risking heartache number nine...

Well...last November and December certainly was a treasure trove of music...and I'm sure it caused many a few budget conscious meetings with their significant other...or many went ahead and purchased all those box sets....better to ask for forgiveness than permission....that might have been the last big hurrah for us...I doubt we are going to see that many iconic surround treatments in such a brief period of time...I hope I'm wrong...but this year is half over and not much to show

 

[4-earredwonder]

Well...last November and December certainly was a treasure trove of music...and I'm sure it caused many a few budget conscious meetings with their significant other...or many went ahead and purchased all those box sets....better to ask for forgiveness than permission....that might have been the last big hurrah for us...I doubt we are going to see that many iconic surround treatments in such a brief period of time...I hope I'm wrong...but this year is half over and not much to show

With Universal's recent announcement that thousands of individual tracks are being remixed in Dolby Atmos, I would think Universal's remix engineers are plenty occupied at the moment. And steelydave did assure us that there are many more D~V QUAD SACD releases in the pipeline .... which is always encouraging but as far as expecting something as momentous as an Abbey Road this year ........don't hold your breath.

I did pass on the King Crimson uber boxset but do have the two DVD~A 5.1 stand alone remixes from that boxset and am awaiting the Tangerine Dream box set with the Steve Wilson remixes of 3 complete TD albums so things aren't that grim.

For a niche market which was considered moribund a scant few years ago, I think we've done alright and although the year is half over ......a lot can transpire in those remaining months.

I'm still hoping that Universal's ATMOS project finds its way onto compilation BD~A discs as I feel it would be nice having a few hours of disparate music on a single disc ...... most especially music from CURRENT ARTISTS which I feel has always kept Surround from being the success it could've been. Not everyone is into 60's, 70's and 80's Rock!