Suggestions for Dutton Vocalion Multichannel SACD Releases

[winopener]

Well, since sometimes Mr. Dutton get his feet wet in rock music... there's a opportunity to be VERY overwhelmed by orders:
Deep Purple Made in Japan.

The stereo-only bluray wasn't good sounding (heck, the 1987 CD is still the go-to version despite all the digital variants appeared in 32 years!) so a GOOD mastered stereo SACD layer will be welcomed by anyone... and...
there is a 5.1 mix done by Steve Wilson sitting in the vaults and collecting dust.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

With Universal's recent announcement that thousands of individual tracks are being remixed in Dolby Atmos, I would think Universal's remix engineers are plenty occupied at the moment. And steelydave did assure us that there are many more D~V QUAD SACD releases in the pipeline .... which is always encouraging but as far as expecting something as momentous as an Abbey Road this year ........don't hold your breath.

I did pass on the King Crimson uber boxset but do have the two DVD~A 5.1 stand alone remixes from that boxset and am awaiting the Tangerine Dream box set with the Steve Wilson remixes of 3 complete TD albums so things aren't that grim.

For a niche market which was considered moribund a scant few years ago, I think we've done alright and although the year is half over ......a lot can transpire in those remaining months.

I'm still hoping that Universal's ATMOS project finds its way onto compilation BD~A discs as I feel it would be nice having a few hours of disparate music on a single disc ...... most especially music from CURRENT ARTISTS which I feel has always kept Surround from being the success it could've been. Not everyone is into 60's, 70's and 80's Rock!

As bleak as this year appears...I still think we will get Abby Road...I don't see how they can avoid it...it's one of the crown jewels of the catalog...of course it might be a box set with no surround...that's possible...but if it doesn't happen at all...that would be the beginning of the end for physical media IMO...think about this...if one of the greatest bands in history doesn't release a 50th anniversary of this album what message would that send...and on the political side....do you think Olivia(George Harrison's wife)will stand by and not push for that anniversary makeover...after what Yoko has done for John Lennon...George had 2 great songs on Abbey Road...Something and Here Comes The Sun are 2 of his finest with the Beatles

It will happen Ralphie....the only question I have is will it get the surround treatment....

 

[4-earredwonder]

As bleak as this year appears...I still think we will get Abby Road...I don't see how they can avoid it...it's one of the crown jewels of the catalog...of course it might be a box set with no surround...that's possible...but if it doesn't happen at all...that would be the beginning of the end for physical media IMO...think about this...if one of the greatest bands in history doesn't release a 50th anniversary of this album what message would that send...and on the political side....do you think Olivia(George Harrison's wife)will stand by and not push for that anniversary makeover...after what Yoko has done for John Lennon...George had 2 great songs on Abbey Road...Something and Here Comes The Sun are 2 of his finest with the Beatles

It will happen Ralphie....the only question I have is will it get the surround treatment....

What would be the point of releasing Abbey Road, which is probably the most audiophile sounding of all the Beatle's material, without a 5.1 or ATMOS remix? Outtakes, MORE Stereo remixes, a giant coffee table sized book without the remix would, IMO, be superfluous.

There have been countless remixes/remasters of Abbey Road over the years in 'almost' EVERY conceivable format but to invest in yet another remaster, most especially at a premium price point without that coveted surround remix would be pointless.

 

[Circular Vibes]

Maybe they will reissue the original box set with original book. My book is falling apart. A 5.1 mix would really be nice, but the book would be nice too. Lets hope the binding won't be cheap glue again.

 

[JonUrban]

Maybe they will reissue the original box set with original book. My book is falling apart. A 5.1 mix would really be nice, but the book would be nice too. Lets hope the binding won't be cheap glue again.

Wasn't that "Let it Be"?

 

[esimms86]

@Circular Vibes' copy of "Let It Be" has fallen apart over the years to where it's now "Let It Be Naked."

 

[esimms86]

My Dutton Vocalion package has now been shipped

 

[Q-Eight]

I'm thinking if we're on a Guess Who bender, why not go fer two-fer's of Wheatfield Soul b/w Canned Wheat followed with Share the Land b/w American Woman.
It's been a while since..... hmmm.... can't recall who was releasing them (in stereo) as 2-CD sets but they certainly weren't remasters. They were pretty hissy. The Quad mixes also aren't all that bad - the earlier titles being a little better than the two later ones.

Then, all we need is a two-fer of Flavours with Power In the Music and we're done. Although, I did have a funny thought today at work. What if it turns out that the Quad mixes for Flavours, Power in the Music and Artificial Paradise were actually misprints and were somehow cocked up at the reproducing factory? Wouldn't that be a blast if it turns out that there were actual 4-channel, Not Fake Quad mixes of those titles done?

Oh, and I'd also love to finally get the Quad mixes of Bannatyne and At the Paramount if Mr. Richardson was correct and they were done.

 

[sjcorne]

The Quad mixes also aren't all that bad - the earlier titles being a little better than the two later ones.

I actually really like what they did with "Proper Stranger" and "When Friends Fall Out" from American Woman. The Japanese CD-4 pressing sounds great, but unfortunately it's missing "969 (The Oldest Man)" - presumably to to cut down the risk of distortion.

BTW, found your old post about Jack Richardson's letters - fascinating stuff. Definitely worth a read for those who haven't seen it.

I was in touch with Jack Richardson a 10+ years back before he passed - odd bit of serendipity where he was a professor at a University a friend of mine was attending. I asked her to give a letter to him and he responded! (I'd completely forgotten I still had his letters until I was cleaning up the other night!)

From his recollection, the early Guess Who Quads (Wheatfield Soul through Best of #1) were mixed by him and several members of staff at RCA. He mentioned it was his input as producer that kept the early ones from being 4-corner discrete. He didn't like that method of mixing. However he was told later on that these style of mixes weren't good with CD-4, and after CD-4 became the format of the day, somehow or another RCA chose to put another person in charge of the actual mixing. Mr. Richardson wasn't pleased over the decision but since he had no idea what CD-4 was or how to mix for the format, he conceded to the RCA staffers.

#10 through Power in the Music were all mixed by various folks at RCA studios with little to no input from Jack or the band members. Artificial Paradise isn't just double stereo. There does seem to be some minutely discrete moments but the rears are clogged with heavy delay. Flavours and Power in the Music are most definitely double stereo. Mr. Richardson could offer no explanation for this other than general malaise at RCA for The Guess Who in the mid-70's. At that time he said the multitracks are most certainly surviving, so in the 70's, RCA would've had no problems accessing them. It was probably an effort to put out product to fill shelves but put in minimal effort. Why Artificial Paradise is such a mess is anybody's guess.

When I asked him why So Long, Bannatyne wasn't mixed (as it's probably my fave album from the boys) he claimed it was "time". SL,B was a long album and there was a 40-42 minute limit on Q8's. I asked if it was attempted and he said YES it was, but mixing was abandoned when they learned of the time limitation. The mixes from that aborted Quad album were eventually used in Best of #2. Live at the Paramount suffered the same fate.

 

[olgitnorm]

A grey morning just got a lot brighter with the arrival of the 4 new offerings from DV.....just need to find the time to listen, haven’t even started on the Tangerine Dream massive box yet!!

 

[J. PUPSTER]

A grey morning just got a lot brighter with the arrival of the 4 new offerings from DV.....just need to find the time to listen, haven’t even started on the Tangerine Dream massive box yet!!

That’s my problem, not enough time to listen to all the treasures, it’s great when you’re more eclectic - oh bother

 

[fredblue]

this biyatch is back
home.. and the new batch is here!!

 

[quicksrt]

CHOICE C - Announce release dates after the pressing plant has confirmed the receipt of work parts. After all legal clearances are complete.

An advance buzz creates excitement in the market even if they don’t take advance orders on upcoming titles. The only possible complication if if there is a flaw found in the run, and it needs a repressing = delay. That never stopped AF from pre-release promotion.

 

[quicksrt]

Dyin’ to know how “Sextant” quad sounds before I order it.

 

[J. PUPSTER]

this biyatch is back
home.. and the new batch is here!!

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Betcha biyatch’s batch ain’t no yactht rock
Oops, woke up goofy as’ell, better stop me now before I morph into Ralphiepie!

 

[4-earredwonder]

Dyin’ to know how “Sextant” quad sounds before I order it.

Likewise. Confused by Michael Dutton's explanation regarding the multichannel mix. I do know the Stereo/RBCD layers are SQ encoded.

 

[J. PUPSTER]

Likewise. Confused by Michael Dutton's explanation regarding the multichannel mix. I do know the Stereo/RBCD layers are SQ encoded.

Oh boy SMv2 time!!!

 

[4-earredwonder]

Betcha biyatch’s batch ain’t no yactht rock
Oops, woke up goofy as’ell, better stop me now before I morph into Ralphiepie!

Shark bait?

 

[fredblue]

Likewise. Confused by Michael Dutton's explanation regarding the multichannel mix. I do know the Stereo/RBCD layers are SQ encoded.

i'll try them tonight and might be able to give you some more info on Sextant

 

[fredblue]

Oh boy SMv2 time!!!

it'll decode it like a batch! i mean...