Why no 2L albums in surround polls?

[edisonbaggins]

And don't forget this one Mike which is absolutely STUNNING:

https://www.hraudio.net/showmusic.php?title=15537
BD~A also has a Dolby ATMOS mix!

I love it! Reviewed, it, even!!!

 

[timothyemerson]

This thread has prompted me to sample some of the 2L catalog, both in hi-res stereo (Qobuz) and in Atmos (Apple Music). I like what I hear. What are the must-have discs one should start with? I think I will get the sampler and then 1 or 2 others to start. I like both classical and jazz. I sampled Quiet Winter Night (Hoff Ensemble) and while it sounded incredible, I have to admit I prefer my jazz with no vocals, so I am on the lookout for a good small group jazz instrumental disc.

Quiet Winter Night (Hoff Ensemble) is awesome. Drums are in the surrounds. Fidelity and lows are thunderous.

I also recommends:

Stone Rose - Ola Gjeilo, Tom Barber, David Coucheron, Johannes Martens: 5.0 but great melodies.
Piano Improvisations - Ola Gjeilo: Another goodie.
MAGNIFICAT - Nidarosdomens jentekor & Trondheimsolistene, Anita Brevik: An awesome mix of choral/instrumental tunes.
FRYD - Cantus, Tove Ramlo-Ystad, Unni Boksasp, Trygve Brøske, Bendik L A few room-shaking lows. Great melodies.
NODEBOG - Gorset & friends 18th century Norwegian hits from back in the day.
In folk style - Trondheimsolistene, Emilia Amper, Gjermund Larsen, Øyv: This one's got the breathing on some tracks but Emilia Amper's tunes are awesome.

 

[ted_b]

The 2L label is at the forefront of immersive music, and Morten has become a great label partner for us at NativeDSD. I've insisted we offer immersive formats (still working out the download manager kinks to accept MKVs, etc) and Morten offers them in spades!!! He offers Atmos in MKV format, Auro-3D in both embedded FLAC (for earlier 9.1 Auro-3D stuff) and 11.1 and 13.1 MKVs (usually bundled with Atmos). Note: that nomenclature is Auro's. Not only that but 2L often offers a DTS-X layer in the MKVs as well (and their listening tests say that the DTS-X layer is similarly resolved like Atmos TrueHD) And realize he is recording actual height information, not just moving it post-production. It's what makes those recording spaces and toanlly rich voices/instruments able to be recreated so beautifully in playback, especially if your height layer is up to it (no pun intended).

 

[humprof]

I know it's not a competition, and this thread is justly dedicated to 2L. But whenever people start singing Lindberg's praises, I feel compelled to put in a good word for his transatlantic friend and colleague Daniel Shores of the Sono Luminus label. Lindberg and Shores share many of the same approaches and practices when it comes to immersive miking and mixing--I've read that they consult with each other--and I find SL's output every bit as impressive as 2L's. (I generally find the music SL chooses to record to be more challenging and/or more to my tastes, too.) I wish both labels, and both mixers, had wider distribution and recognition.

https://www.sonoluminus.com/https://sonoluminuslabel.bandcamp.com/

 

[ted_b]

Agree 100% about Daniel and Sono Luminus. They are a great label partner too. More than two years ago, when I'd first heard of Auro-3D and was building my room, Daniel sent me some Auro-3D encoded FLAC files for demo...and wow the immersive experience took off.

I'll try not to sound like a paid commercial but will ping the group when Native finally gets the download manager/site prepared to transact immersive files.

 

[relaxing]

I know it's not a competition, and this thread is justly dedicated to 2L. But whenever people start singing Lindberg's praises, I feel compelled to put in a good word for his transatlantic friend and colleague Daniel Shores of the Sono Luminus label. Lindberg and Shores share many of the same approaches and practices when it comes to immersive miking and mixing--I've read that they consult with each other--and I find SL's output every bit as impressive as 2L's. (I generally find the music SL chooses to record to be more challenging and/or more to my tastes, too.) I wish both labels, and both mixers, had wider distribution and recognition.

https://www.sonoluminus.com/https://sonoluminuslabel.bandcamp.com/

It’s unfortunate that even their own site offers no way to filter or search for hi-res or multichannel offerings. Bandcamp too makes the contents of their downloads frustratingly opaque.

Do you have any favorites to recommend?

 

[mkt]

It’s unfortunate that even their own site offers no way to filter or search for hi-res or multichannel offerings. Bandcamp too makes the contents of their downloads frustratingly opaque.

Do you have any favorites to recommend?

This gives you their blu-ray releases which seems to match the multichannel releases mostly? I don't see anything new in the last year or so.
https://www.sonoluminus.com/store?category=Pure+Audio+Blu-rayAnd the blu-ray blowout is still on?
https://www.sonoluminus.com/saleLooks like a full list here
https://www.hraudio.net/discsbylabel.php?page=1

 

[humprof]

It’s unfortunate that even their own site offers no way to filter or search for hi-res or multichannel offerings. Bandcamp too makes the contents of their downloads frustratingly opaque.

Do you have any favorites to recommend?

Their downloads aren't multichannel, though you can order their multichannel discs from Bandcamp as well as from their store. (The advantage of Bandcamp is that any disc purchase also includes a stereo download and unlimited streaming. The disadvantage is that "Blow-Out Sale" discs aren't available on Bandcamp at sale prices.)

It's true that many of SL's recent releases have been Redbook CD only, but they've also kept up a steady stream of Blu-Rays, including half a dozen or so this year.

As for Atmos mixes: I'm particularly fond of Daniel Bjarnason's series of discs focusing primarily on contemporary Icelandic composers with the Iceland Symphony Orchestra: Recurrence, Concurrence, Occurence, and Atmospheriques vol. 1. There are also three discs devoted solely to the music of Anna Thorvaldsdottir: In the Light of Air and AEQUA (with the International Contemporary Ensemble) and ARCHORA/AION (with the Iceland Symphony). If you're a vocal music fan, Skylark's Seven Words From the Cross or Nordic Affect's H (e) a r might appeal.

Older, pre-Atmos, 5.1/7.1 recordings: ACME's Thrive on Routine; Inscape's Sprung Rhythm and American Aggregate; any of the three albums by the Los Angeles Percussion Quartet; Peter Sculthorpe's Complete String Quartets; Spektral Quartet's Serious Business . . . you almost can't go wrong, especially if you pick them up via the Blow-Out Sale:

https://www.sonoluminus.com/sale

 

[mkt]

I don’t recall seeing ADM files for sale before.
https://shop.2l.no/en-us/products/2l-reference-tracks-2023-adms

 

[ted_b]

I don’t recall seeing ADM files for sale before.
https://shop.2l.no/en-us/products/2l-reference-tracks-2023-adms

Chris (@AudiophileStyle ) and others have been really pushing this. You’d need the Dolby renderer subscription and something like a Merging Hapi ( my exasound S88 is “only” 8 channels). Morten is pushing the envelope.

 

[mkt]

Chris (@AudiophileStyle ) and others have been really pushing this. You’d need the Dolby renderer subscription and something like a Merging Hapi ( my exasound S88 is “only” 8 channels). Morten is pushing the envelope.

Q: I have the Dolby Reference Player. Do either the Dolby Encoding Engine or the Dolby Media Encoder do the rendering, or is that another kettle of fish?
EDIT the internet suggests it is another kettle of fish
https://professional.dolby.com/product/dolby-atmos-content-creation/dolby-atmos-renderer/

 

[AudiophileStyle]

Q: I have the Dolby Reference Player. Do either the Dolby Encoding Engine or the Dolby Media Encoder do the rendering, or is that another kettle of fish?
EDIT the internet suggests it is another kettle of fish
https://professional.dolby.com/product/dolby-atmos-content-creation/dolby-atmos-renderer/

Correct, it's another kettle of fish.

The Dolby Atmos Renderer is really neat for seeing the objects and hearing the audio before it goes through the Dolby Media Encoder to get packaged into MLP for TrueHD. In a way it's more of a laboratory tool than commercial playback app, but I'm OK with that. Many people take the time to spin vinyl. I take the time to load music into the Dolby Atmos Renderer :~)

 

[relaxing]

Correct, it's another kettle of fish.

The Dolby Atmos Renderer is really neat for seeing the objects and hearing the audio before it goes through the Dolby Media Encoder to get packaged into MLP for TrueHD. In a way it's more of a laboratory tool than commercial playback app, but I'm OK with that. Many people take the time to spin vinyl. I take the time to load music into the Dolby Atmos Renderer :~)

That does sound fun, and satisfying to watch. Is it pricey?

 

[AudiophileStyle]

That does sound fun, and satisfying to watch. Is it pricey?

https://shop.avid.com/ccrz__ProductDetails?rdp=1700228467506&sku=Dolby+Atmos+Renderer&cclcl=en_US

 

[ted_b]

https://shop.avid.com/ccrz__ProductDetails?rdp=1700228467506&sku=Dolby+Atmos+Renderer&cclcl=en_US

and a DAW.

 

[AudiophileStyle]

and a DAW.

No DAW necessary.

Just an interface that’ll output that many channels, like Ravenna, AES67, and Dante.

 

[ted_b]

No DAW necessary.

Just an interface that’ll output that many channels, like Ravenna, AES67, and Dante.

I guess I really meant you'll need at least 12 channels of DAC, or 16.

 

[mkt]

https://shop.avid.com/ccrz__ProductDetails?rdp=1700228467506&sku=Dolby+Atmos+Renderer&cclcl=en_US

Seems to be possible to test drive it (props for the genelecs there)

https://customer.dolby.com/content-creation-and-delivery/dolby-atmos-renderer-v510

 

[haikubass]

Newest 2L release Ensemble 96 & Current - PAX just announced for 4/5:
https://www.2l.no/pages/album/174.html

 

[humprof]

Newest 2L release Ensemble 96 & Current - PAX just announced for 4/5:
https://www.2l.no/pages/album/174.html
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The store link doesn't yet work, but here's the booklet, and here's an extensive gallery of photos from the recording sessions:
https://www.lindberg.no/gallery-2l-174/