its a stunner isn't it!
I put it on for a Motown fan friend the other night.. He said he'd never heard Stevie's voice sound so good!
(ps. have you tried it in PLII Music yet?)
I'll give it a go, though I'll finish listening in boring old 2.0 first!
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I'll give it a go, though I'll finish listening in boring old 2.0 first!
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It is terrible, isn't it? The thing that bugs me is the heinous postal charges, and slow service you get for that money - sometimes 14-21 days, which suggest delivery by paddle steamer. I regularly send stuff to relatives in the States, and it never costs more than a few pounds and takes 3-5 days to get there. Amazon resellers in the States can send me purchases with similar rates and time scales.
But, on top of the off-putting price of $30 for the disc, Music Direct want $28.95 for their cheapest shipping to the UK - for one disc! - and it's not even a next day courier. That's why I have stopped shopping at Acoustic Sounds and Music Direct, because I dislike being gouged like that, completely unnecessarily. $5 should more than cover international postage that would get here just as fast.
I have just received my Bob Marley Legend HFPA disc in the post. It cost me £11.59 from Amazon UK and postage was free. At that price, I will be investing in this format, and doing so with joy.
I have only listened to fours tracks so far, but Legend is worth every penny. The sound quality is fabulous and, though there is a lot of bass, I'm not finding that in the least disturbing on my system. Maybe a quick tweak of the sub, Fred?
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really glad you're enjoying the Bob Marley BDA Casper, it's not bad at all and certainly perceived fidelity (detail, clarity, noise) seems to be improved on the best CD I could find of it (Barry Diament/Rob Fraboni mastered Tuff Gong BMWCD1 846 210-2) though every other HFPA BDA I bought so far (7 of them to date) has better sound generally and no boomy bass issues.
as for those bass issues, my gear's already setup to within an inch of its life (sub calibrated with numerous test discs etc) I doubt I could do very much to it that wouldn't then adversely affect everything else.
in all fairness my system has naturally warm fronts that are pretty bass rich (they're AE floorstanders that go down to 31hz, so I mostly have the sub off.. for music I really don't need it, especially anything stereo) and my trusty old REL goes down to approx 20hz., so in my small room (6m x 4m) in an old building in an old London terrace with suspended wooden floors it's probably all bass overkill anyway.. but the Bob Marley BDA has noticeably disproportionate bass compared to any other music disc I've got I can think of, with sub on or off, which kinda spoils it for me, as I can't crank it.. not that it needs it at times, some tracks are overloud to my ears, which kinda suggests potential "loudness" or dynamic range compression, I dunno!?
have you noticed the mis-matched overall volume levels? one tracks just right, the next too loud! properly mastered that wouldn't have happened and shouldn't imho happen in a best of/compilation album where you don't expect the general volume to differ so wildly from one song to the next! ah well, each to their own, I really am pleased you're enjoying it, I don't hate it at all there's just some niggles that with a bit of tweaking could have made it a perfect disc.. plus I do wish Universal would have released their 5.1 mix of Bob Marley's "Burnin'" which they've apparently had in the can for 10 years instead but there you go!
as for those bass issues, my gear's already setup to within an inch of its life (sub calibrated with numerous test discs etc) I doubt I could do very much to it that wouldn't then adversely affect everything else.
in all fairness my system has naturally warm fronts that are pretty bass rich (they're AE floorstanders that go down to 31hz, so I mostly have the sub off.. for music I really don't need it, especially anything stereo) and my trusty old REL goes down to approx 20hz., so in my small room (6m x 4m) in an old building in an old London terrace with suspended wooden floors it's probably all bass overkill anyway.. but the Bob Marley BDA has noticeably disproportionate bass compared to any other music disc I've got I can think of, with sub on or off, which kinda spoils it for me, as I can't crank it.. not that it needs it at times, some tracks are overloud to my ears, which kinda suggests potential "loudness" or dynamic range compression, I dunno!?
have you noticed the mis-matched overall volume levels? one tracks just right, the next too loud! properly mastered that wouldn't have happened and shouldn't imho happen in a best of/compilation album where you don't expect the general volume to differ so wildly from one song to the next! ah well, each to their own, I really am pleased you're enjoying it, I don't hate it at all there's just some niggles that with a bit of tweaking could have made it a perfect disc.. plus I do wish Universal would have released their 5.1 mix of Bob Marley's "Burnin'" which they've apparently had in the can for 10 years instead but there you go!
The 5.1 of Bob Marley's Burnin' gets mentioned in this (very agonising!) SHF.tv thread of mixes that never made it to SACD, DVDA, etc., back in the day...
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/completed-but-non-released-hi-rez-5-1.61385/
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/completed-but-non-released-hi-rez-5-1.61385/
Caspersozza
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I've been too busy to give Legend a thorough listen through yet, just skimmed through the tracks at different times, but even so I can tell that you're right about the different volume levels. It's far from ideal, but I'm still finding this an audio experience so sensational that - despite the disappointing lack of 5.1 mix - I can't stop grinning from ear-to-ear. The tunes, textures, harmonies and propulsive arrangements of the Wailers' music are just beautiful beyond belief.
The idea that there is a proper 5.1 version of Burnin' out there lying neglected is both heartbreaking and hopeful (maybe they'll release it on BD-A after Kaya). The Burnin' version of Small Axe takes too long to get going - who has 23 seconds for an intro these days? - but remains one of the most joyous distillations of musical beauty ever recorded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNtwVtl5VEw
The idea that there is a proper 5.1 version of Burnin' out there lying neglected is both heartbreaking and hopeful (maybe they'll release it on BD-A after Kaya). The Burnin' version of Small Axe takes too long to get going - who has 23 seconds for an intro these days? - but remains one of the most joyous distillations of musical beauty ever recorded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNtwVtl5VEw
Caspersozza
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I remember years ago putting in a pre-order for 5.1 SACD of The Byrds' 5D, which of course never materialised. I wonder what happened to that, given that they had got as far as listing it at Acoustic Sounds?
Not to bring this up again, but I will Does anyone out there have any good information regarding if Amazon.com will be carrying these discs. I find the price and shipping costs associated with the current retailers to be beyond what I consider agreeable.
Does anyone out there have any good information regarding if Amazon.com will be carrying these discs. I find the price and shipping costs associated with the current retailers to be beyond what I consider agreeable.
Has anybody had an issues with the Blu-ray discs creating excessive vibration noise in their player? :howl
My Stevie Wonder SITKOL causes my Denon DBP-2012UD to emit an awful lot of vibration noise when it plays (its not the fan), yet the Serge Gainsbourg which arrived today doesn't (fantastic sound quality and really interesting on the single track I've listened to). The Denon is a bit noisy, but I wonder if the Stevie Wonder disc has the hole ever so slightly off centre?
When I first listened to it I was wearing headphones so I didn't hear the noise!
.... and fredblue it does sound pretty amazing with PLii Music selected, I'd swear it was a surround release, I just had to have it very very loud to drown out the disc playing!...NB: must apologise to the neighbours
My Stevie Wonder SITKOL causes my Denon DBP-2012UD to emit an awful lot of vibration noise when it plays (its not the fan), yet the Serge Gainsbourg which arrived today doesn't (fantastic sound quality and really interesting on the single track I've listened to). The Denon is a bit noisy, but I wonder if the Stevie Wonder disc has the hole ever so slightly off centre?
When I first listened to it I was wearing headphones so I didn't hear the noise!
.... and fredblue it does sound pretty amazing with PLii Music selected, I'd swear it was a surround release, I just had to have it very very loud to drown out the disc playing!...NB: must apologise to the neighbours
I also have vibration noise from a DBP-2012UD. Rolling Stones - Grrr and Supertramp - Breakfast In America Blu-ray audio.
Hmm, I wonder what the story is here. Do the vibrations occur at peaks in the volume of the music? Or is it more random ?
for me its something that's occurred with certain discs in certain players.
the absolute worst vibro-buzzing I've ever encountered was with a Taito retro video game collection - on DVD disc - which used to buzz like crazy in my original PS2 but not in the "slim" updated model. it was so loud and distracting I couldn't play the game at all on my old PS2, even though it loaded up ok, etc.
also various music CDs, exactly what they were I can't remember, that may have vibro-buzzed say in my old MacBook now don't do so in my newer MacMini, etc.. its a strange kind of phenomenon.
basically the same disc never seemed to exhibit the same vibrational buzz from one player to the next.... so I reckon it could be a "disc + player/transport combo" issue..!??
just to say Duncan in response to your initial question, my SITKOL BD-A plays no buzzo problemo in both my CA (Oppo BDP93 clone) and PS3 and the other HFPA's I've got are all buzz-vibro free.
thrilled you're enjoying Stevie's SITKOL (nice and cranked!) via PLII Moozak! it's pretty darn fabbo innit! :ugham:
the absolute worst vibro-buzzing I've ever encountered was with a Taito retro video game collection - on DVD disc - which used to buzz like crazy in my original PS2 but not in the "slim" updated model. it was so loud and distracting I couldn't play the game at all on my old PS2, even though it loaded up ok, etc.
also various music CDs, exactly what they were I can't remember, that may have vibro-buzzed say in my old MacBook now don't do so in my newer MacMini, etc.. its a strange kind of phenomenon.
basically the same disc never seemed to exhibit the same vibrational buzz from one player to the next.... so I reckon it could be a "disc + player/transport combo" issue..!??
just to say Duncan in response to your initial question, my SITKOL BD-A plays no buzzo problemo in both my CA (Oppo BDP93 clone) and PS3 and the other HFPA's I've got are all buzz-vibro free.
thrilled you're enjoying Stevie's SITKOL (nice and cranked!) via PLII Moozak! it's pretty darn fabbo innit! :ugham:
oh and re: this vibrating buzzing thing, I meant to say I don't ever recall it happening on any disc in any dedicated CDP, DVD player, or BDP, only in consoles and computer drives - with the PS2 & Mac laptop (slot-loader) being the worst offenders!
what causes it! I don't know? a flimsy transport, prone to vibrations? silk-screening on a disc that makes it hard for certain players' clamping mechanisms to properly seat/grip? I'm too much of a Luddite to know the techno-whatsits but that's all the insight/info I have to give on the situ. based on my past experiences.
what causes it! I don't know? a flimsy transport, prone to vibrations? silk-screening on a disc that makes it hard for certain players' clamping mechanisms to properly seat/grip? I'm too much of a Luddite to know the techno-whatsits but that's all the insight/info I have to give on the situ. based on my past experiences.
kap'n krunch
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Going back to Nick Drake and his 5LL..
the "treasury" mixes from this LP are faux surround..the only ones that are discrete are from "Bryter Layter"...
I DO hope that this time they found the REAL multis,
AND,
they have not degraded too much, because , if we take into perspective the sound degradation of the Stereo mix tape which was used for his "latest" CD release of this title, it sounded quite bad...
Gonna take the plunge anyway...
Cheers.
the "treasury" mixes from this LP are faux surround..the only ones that are discrete are from "Bryter Layter"...
I DO hope that this time they found the REAL multis,
AND,
they have not degraded too much, because , if we take into perspective the sound degradation of the Stereo mix tape which was used for his "latest" CD release of this title, it sounded quite bad...
Gonna take the plunge anyway...
Cheers.
Going back to Nick Drake and his 5LL..
the "treasury" mixes from this LP are faux surround..the only ones that are discrete are from "Bryter Layter"...
I DO hope that this time they found the REAL multis,
AND,
they have not degraded too much, because , if we take into perspective the sound degradation of the Stereo mix tape which was used for his "latest" CD release of this title, it sounded quite bad...
Gonna take the plunge anyway...
Cheers.
think I saw somewhere that the latest vinyl of 5LL sounds great, so maybe new tapes have been found? if not and this BDA still has upmixes (or faked mixes, or whatever you want to call them) it kind of begs the question why on this release? to preserve the artistic integrity?
@: why not put out the 5.1's of the scores of titles that already had surround mixes on SACD instead!? anyhoo.. all will be revealed soon.. about 2 weeks to go til these beauties start hitting the streets of Europe!
either way I'll definitely be grabbing the BDA's of ANATO, Crime of the Century, Sea Change, Louis & Ella, Quincy Jones' Bossa Nova, Nina Simone I Put A Spell On You, What's Going On & Lionel's Can't Slow Down.. and may cave in and get Amy Winegums and the 2 Nirvana's plus 5LL, though I'm inclined to wait for those last few to see how they sound (and what the deal is with 5LL in 5.1) before splashing the cash.
neil wilkes
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I wonder what version of ANATO will be included........hopefully not the dreadful 30th anniversary rejig but suspect this will be the one.
Just had the Marley "Legend" land on my mat & one big question occurs to me:
Why oh Why are there 3 different versions of the same stream?
LPCM stereo, DTS-HD stereo & Dolby True HD stereo? What is the point??
Duplicating content is okay if there is a valid reason but this smells of padding to me.
Just had the Marley "Legend" land on my mat & one big question occurs to me:
Why oh Why are there 3 different versions of the same stream?
LPCM stereo, DTS-HD stereo & Dolby True HD stereo? What is the point??
Duplicating content is okay if there is a valid reason but this smells of padding to me.
kap'n krunch
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
So, I'm guessing that the best mix is the "Un Brian May'ed" one?....which one is that one???
I have the 2002 "Hollywood Records" / DTS entertainment"...confusing cause it states:
"5.1 mix produced by Roy Thomas Baker (???)
Co-Produced by Brian May for Queen
5.1 mix Mix by Elliot Scheiner"
One thing, it doesn't say "30th anniversary" anywhere...
EDIT: the UPC is 6 9286-01091-9 3 the transparent part close to the center has
IFPI LJ61
RGM/CA
The 2nd one (middle one) top here.
Final Edit: Nevermind... I have the non 30th anniversary edition...
they are pretty daft things, they hardly use any of blu-ray's storage capacity.. but for the most part they sound good and a couple of them sound absolutely amazing. I'm curious to see just how extended the frequency range is on these things (surprised no-one's analyzed the waveforms yet, or if they have either not published their findings, or I just can't find their findings!) though dynamic range results that have been published aren't great.. still, they sound nice and are worthwhile for albums/artists you are really into.
spectral for Gonne Hollywood
Analyzed: Supertramp / Breakfast in America
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR9 -0.04 dB -13.15 dB 5:18 01-Gone Hollywood
DR9 -0.44 dB -11.94 dB 4:09 02-The Logical Song
DR10 -0.04 dB -12.75 dB 5:48 03-Goodbye Stranger
DR11 -0.10 dB -12.75 dB 2:37 04-Breakfast in America
DR10 -0.44 dB -12.62 dB 4:04 05-Oh Darling
DR9 -0.04 dB -12.31 dB 5:08 06-Take The Long Way Home
DR10 -0.05 dB -14.87 dB 4:07 07-Lord Is It Mine
DR10 -0.45 dB -12.37 dB 4:22 08-Just Another Nervous Wreck
DR12 -2.84 dB -17.14 dB 2:57 09-Casual Conversations
DR10 -0.03 dB -11.83 dB 7:28 10-Child Of Vision
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Number of tracks: 10
Official DR value: DR10
Samplerate: 96000 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 24
Bitrate: 3038 kbps
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