BIG Blu-Ray Audio drive from Universal Music in 2013
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Ah yes! Now it all becomes clear
It was a sad episode on QQ, but it seems he has not given up his crusade. His loss, as he is missing out on some fine music and mixes.
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Yes, I recall the episode. Wasn't he the one who deliberately spammed every SW related poll?
Yep
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Thought so. :roll eyes:
He's clearly taken umbrage at the fact that someone has dared to use some SW work as a way of highlighting the massive shortcomings of the Universal HFPA project. I'm rapidly tiring of arguing with him as he doesn't seem to get it. But thanks for the clarification on identity. I shan't bother with him anymore. You can't rationalise with an irrational person
He is very passionate. I actually liked the guy and gave him many opportunities to stay, probably too many. I hate banning people, but sometimes there is no choice. Trashing the polls (TWICE!) pushed me over the edge.
Too bad. He probably means well....
Too bad. He probably means well....
Failed Muso
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It is sad. Surely, any fan of hi-res, multi-channel audio would want Universal to strive for more and deliver content like we are seeing from Ape and Panegyric and other great, smaller labels.
The saddest thing is that he hasn't presented a decent counter argument. He just keeps berating me for airing my opinion and desire for Universal to do better.
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True. Best to disengage rather than enrage!
And that's exactly what I've done. I've blocked him
Any news on what the December HFPA releases are going to be? I've given up checking that load of old tosh on Facebook! Everything's "amazing!" on that page and they're always so "proud" and "delighted" to announce some half-assed mastering of an old record nobody gives two hoots about -- no it's not always amazing, life sucks sometimes and some of these HFPA's suck too! Some don't some are great but that's life baby! that Facebook page is promo/advertising pure & simple, they don't care about us and what we want.. we'll get what we're given and put up or shut up, as usual with the majors.
On a slightly more optimistic note, I see Sony have announced their first "Pure Audio Blu-ray" over in Japan.. its a Classical music title.. discussion about it over at sa-cd.net. Rock & pop 5.1 (or even QUAD!) from Sony on BD and we're laughing! Come on you big bastards! Give the people what they want!!
that Facebook page is promo/advertising pure & simple, they don't care about us and what we want.. we'll get what we're given and put up or shut up, as usual with the majors.On a slightly more optimistic note, I see Sony have announced their first "Pure Audio Blu-ray" over in Japan.. its a Classical music title.. discussion about it over at sa-cd.net. Rock & pop 5.1 (or even QUAD!) from Sony on BD and we're laughing! Come on you big bastards! Give the people what they want!!
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Any news on what the December HFPA releases are going to be? I've given up checking that load of old tosh on Facebook! Everything's "amazing!" on that page and they're always so "proud" and "delighted" to announce some half-assed mastering of an old record nobody gives two hoots about -- no it's not always amazing, life sucks sometimes and some of these HFPA's suck too! Some don't some are great but that's life baby!
On a slightly more optimistic note, I see Sony have announced their first "Pure Audio Blu-ray" over in Japan.. its a Classical music title.. discussion about it over at sa-cd.net. Rock & pop 5.1 (or even QUAD!) from Sony on BD and we're laughing! Come on you big bastards! Give the people what they want!!
Encouraging news from Sony but given history and recent events, I'm not holding my breath.
I find it somewhat sad that the big labels are simply firing so wide of the mark with these releases, yet the small labels such as Burning Shed, Ape, Panegyric and others are getting it so right. Sad in the sense that the gatekeepers of such immense catalogues are so completely oblivious to the opportunity that is staring them in the face. We know for a fact that there are many 5.1 mixes already 'in the can'. We know that the cost of remixing these is getting lower all the time. We understand that a number of titles are not ever going to happen simply because original multi-tracks are lost or destroyed.
The industry sees that its physical format sales are dropping and here is a golden opportunity to reinvigorate them. Vinyl is having a resurgence because the general public sees it as both tangible and of 'better' quality (although I still reside in the camp that can't hear that). So, if people are such big fans of quality, deliver them a Blu Ray with not only new hi-res, m/c versions but vinyl transfers too. Surely the manufacturing costs would be cheaper? I have a substantial vinyl collection but a very old turntable. I've considered buying a new one but the price of a decent one is four or five times that of a regular BD player! I know that you won't get spectacular 12"x12" sleeves, but decent booklets would suffice, surely?
It frustrates the hell out of me. We have a carrier format that can deliver so much to so many, yet it fails to be exploited by those who could. A simple look at the recent Yes and XTC releases shows what could be done. No need for download vouchers as the CD will cover that base.
Rather than make a song and dance about Universal's flaccid offering, we should be shouting from the rooftops about what we've just seen from XTC and Yes.
Right now, I'd love for Universal to engage with our community, to hear our views and opinions and to tell us what excuses or reasons they have for not doing the feckin' obvious. I'd invite them but I can't see them accepting. As Adam says, things like the FB page are just run of the mill promotional activities rather than a forum for engagement with customers.
I fear for the future of hi-res, multi-channel audio. The only thing that keeps me positive is the fact that here we are, over a decade since the launch of SACD or DVD-A, and we're still getting good amounts of content. Good, not great. Multi-channel has been around for 40 odd years and still won't die. This comforts me, but how long will it last?
All the pieces of the puzzle are there, laid out on the table. When will they figure out how to put them all together?
don't have CD, neither BD-A.
someone did comparison analysis audio BD-A vs. HDTracks version.
waveform seems like close enough on both and don't says too much.
spectral shows very obvious that different master were used on each release.
BD-A
HDTrack
interesting.. thank you for that it appears there's a touch more hi-freq info in the BDA wave forms, no!?
it appears there's a touch more hi-freq info in the BDA wave forms, no!?
interesting.. thank you for that
i'm sorry, these above was compressed, turned out quite blurish and hard to see difference. here is side by side left
channel from each version and i hope it will show difference better.
Hi All,
My interpretation of these images is that the BDA seems to be less dynamic - flatter on the high end of the spectrum and more "normalized" in the upper mid-range. Would you care to interpret the images for those who are unfamiliar with the display format?
Thanks!
Ken
My interpretation of these images is that the BDA seems to be less dynamic - flatter on the high end of the spectrum and more "normalized" in the upper mid-range. Would you care to interpret the images for those who are unfamiliar with the display format?
Thanks!
Ken
And that's exactly what I've done. I've blocked him
Perhaps impulsively, I've taken up the fight on the Yes thread - I harbour a tiny glimmer of hope that Universal actually reads some of that stuff so a bit of constructive criticism never hurts.
Failed Muso
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Thanks for that Dave
I had to use my wife's account to read it though, as blocking Richard/Dixie means I can no longer read replies to his initial outbursts. As you say, the troll isn't someone who is trying to point out shortcomings of a product to the manufacturer in the hope they might pay attention and do something about it. It seems that this individual is very much a "victim" who feels the whole world is against him. A little internet research shows that this isn't the first time he's reacted as such. We are all entitled to our opinions and should be free to express them in an appropriate way but it seems he has a real beef with anything related to SW, which is bizarre as even if you don't care for his music, his work in the field of multi-channel audio is single-handedly making a big difference.On another note, I wonder if the project team behind HFPA would entertain the idea of an organised discussion between themselves and selected representatives of the consumer community, possibly as part of a moratorium. For example, a 3 person delegation from QQ could ask relevant questions, offer suggestions on content and hear feedback from HFPA as to why they seem to be firing wide of the mark. The idealist in me would love to think they'd be up for it. The cynic in me says they wouldn't give a flying feck so long as poor saps keep buying this stuff and thinking they're getting great value (all due respect to fellow QQ'ers).
Surely they read these boards and see the clamouring and excitement that the two latest BD offerings from Yes and XTC garnered? If I was heading up this project I'd be all over my team asking why we weren't getting the same. But, the project leader is more likely to be a bean counter than a music lover.
Hey ho...
i'll try to put it simply, relying on the analysis of the sound reflected in the graphical representation.
bottom you'll see few different tracks, analysed as waveform, spectral and dinamic range of each.
as it says - better 1 time see than 10 times read.
so, here we go...
[bad] HDtrack Rush - Clockwork 96KHz 24bit
[even worse] BD Rammstein - Video 96KHz 24bit
[better] HDTrack Mark Knopfler - Privateering 96KHz 24bit
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