DVD Audio Extractor possible issues with latest version?

[Sal1950]

Damn, I totally forgot about the INFO button!!!! I haven't used it in ages.... I'll have to try it out.

Or, if you don't have a video screen running, the Status button on the
Denon's front panel will cycle you thru the same basic set of reports.
Cheers.

 

[GOS]

Or, if you don't have a video screen running, the Status button on the
Denon's front panel will cycle you thru the same basic set of reports.
Cheers.

INfo button works like a charm. But, it doesn confirm (but I still don't understand) that my intense skipping issues playing certain MKV Atmos files via VLC show NO SIGNAL when I push the info button. I wish I understood what the issue is, so I could possibly fix it.

 

[mandrix]

Auro3D+ 11.1 would be the decoded format, what is it carried in? Blu-ray can't have PCM in over 8 channels so it has to be 8 channels or below...

DTS-HD

 

[mandrix]

INfo button works like a charm. But, it doesn confirm (but I still don't understand) that my intense skipping issues playing certain MKV Atmos files via VLC show NO SIGNAL when I push the info button. I wish I understood what the issue is, so I could possibly fix it.

Gene when you say skipping, do you mean dropouts? I find that happens in Windows sometimes. In fact my HDMI out from my Nvidia 3060 graphics card is the worst, I've changed drivers but still happens. I can use the mobo HDMI out and no dropouts.

 

[GOS]

Gene when you say skipping, do you mean dropouts? I find that happens in Windows sometimes. In fact my HDMI out from my Nvidia 3060 graphics card is the worst, I've changed drivers but still happens. I can use the mobo HDMI out and no dropouts.

yeah, more like dropouts. I don't mean, 2 second drop outs. I'm talking like 20-30 second dropouts, over and over. Essentially, unplayable. Again, I'm talking about Atmos only, with VLC. Media Player is flawless. All from the same Windows PC, using the exact same mkv files.

 

[mandrix]

yeah, more like dropouts. I don't mean, 2 second drop outs. I'm talking like 20-30 second dropouts, over and over. Essentially, unplayable. Again, I'm talking about Atmos only, with VLC. Media Player is flawless. All from the same Windows PC, using the exact same mkv files.

Wow. If I get them they are very short, like milliseconds, never had anything going on 30 seconds.
When you say "Media Player" is flawless, what are we talking about here exactly?

 

[GOS]

Wow. If I get them they are very short, like milliseconds, never had anything going on 30 seconds.
When you say "Media Player" is flawless, what are we talking about here exactly?

Windows Media Player....counterpart to VLC. Plays perfectly in WMP, but major dropouts in VLC. Makes no sense honestly.
I've even reinstalled VLC multiple times.....same outcome.

 

[mandrix]

Windows Media Player....counterpart to VLC. Plays perfectly in WMP, but major dropouts in VLC. Makes no sense honestly.
I've even reinstalled VLC multiple times.....same outcome.

Yeah that's weird. I've found VLC pretty reliable, though I prefer PowerDVD ultra. You do have VLC set to bitstream under preferences/Audio settings?

 

[GOS]

Yeah that's weird. I've found VLC pretty reliable, though I prefer PowerDVD ultra. You do have VLC set to bitstream under preferences/Audio settings?

LOL, probably....but I have no clue...I will totally check that.

 

[GOS]

PowerDVD ultra. I assume that is a non-free player obviously...based on the name.

 

[ted_b]

Auro3D 11.1 would be the decoded format, what is it carried in? Blu-ray can't have PCM in over 8 channels so it has to be 8 channels or below...

I know this is a DVD Audio Extractor thread, but wanted to address the slight misinformation that is being discussed about Auro 3D delivery.

Auro 3D content is delivered, from the labels, in TWO different forms:

* Auro 3D in 9.1 (Auro speak for 5.1.4) is often delivered in embedded FLAC files. Although these files are channel-restricted (due to FLACs inability to handle lots of channels) they are smaller downloads and many software players like FLAC, even embedded FLAC. Realize that these FLAC files will look like 5.1 to many AVRS and pre/pros if the user doesn't manually engage the Auro 3D decoder. I have a player that doesn't recognize the embeded stuff (Zidoo Z9X) and a player that does (USB in on my Sony X800M2 bluray machine).

* Auro 3D in up to 13.1 unrestricted channel playback in physical Bluray discs and/or MKV rips. The MKV file compatibility with software players is slightly more complicated because, on the surface, the MKV file is a video file. I play these on my Zidoo Z9X.

In both cases, Auro 3D is not compressed in playback. It is full 24/96.

Sorry for the OT.

 

[DuncanS]

yeah, more like dropouts. I don't mean, 2 second drop outs. I'm talking like 20-30 second dropouts, over and over. Essentially, unplayable. Again, I'm talking about Atmos only, with VLC. Media Player is flawless. All from the same Windows PC, using the exact same mkv files.

Could it be down to VLC doing continuous HDMI handshaking to check the status of the device its connected to? I get that behaviour if my TV is plugged into to the mains power but not switched on and I'm listening to music on the amp (I have eARC HDMI link between the Amp & TV)

 

[GOS]

Could it be down to VLC doing continuous HDMI handshaking to check the status of the device its connected to? I get that behaviour if my TV is plugged into to the mains power but not switched on and I'm listening to music on the amp (I have eARC HDMI link between the Amp & TV)

I dunno. I always have the TV on in this case. On the other hand, I changed a couple settings earlier, and the damn thing played flawlessly between albums, both Auro 3D and Atmos, for like 2 hours. Since I changed 2 settings, I decided to go back to original settings, then select 1 setting at a time. Now it's back to not working. WTF?

 

[Sal1950]

Windows Media Player....counterpart to VLC. Plays perfectly in WMP, but major dropouts in VLC. Makes no sense honestly.
I've even reinstalled VLC multiple times.....same outcome.

LOL, probably....but I have no clue...I will totally check that.

I agree with mandrix, in that it is most likely a dropout caused by HDMI handshake issues for some reason, and I run Linux here. I have similar issuses that change over time for some reason here for some reason.

 

[hi-res_edition]

RE: ripping FLAC from DVD Audio Extractor - Not exactly on topic, but similar. I admit I have not really focused on bitrate when ripping FLAC files. I have used Level 5 with dbPowerAmp, and now understand that DVD Audio Extractor uses Level 8, which creates smaller files, but also sacrifices bitrate. However, at least Sampling rate and Bit-depth match the source media --- any thoughts on this? I am now tempted to rip as Wave in DVD-AE and then re-encode using dbPowerAmp with lower compression level, which yields a higher bit-rate.

 

[mandrix]

RE: ripping FLAC from DVD Audio Extractor - Not exactly on topic, but similar. I admit I have not really focused on bitrate when ripping FLAC files. I have used Level 5 with dbPowerAmp, and now understand that DVD Audio Extractor uses Level 8, which creates smaller files, but also sacrifices bitrate. However, at least Sampling rate and Bit-depth match the source media --- any thoughts on this? I am now tempted to rip as Wave in DVD-AE and then re-encode using dbPowerAmp with lower compression level, which yields a higher bit-rate.

Yes I have thoughts. lol. The flac compression level has nothing to do with sampling rate nor bit depth. It only determines the final (flac) file size. That's it. I have not used DVDAE in years, I have no clue if /why it would futz with either.
Level 5/6 is what I use with other utils, what very seldom I need to.

 

[quicksrt]

RE: ripping FLAC from DVD Audio Extractor - Not exactly on topic, but similar. I admit I have not really focused on bitrate when ripping FLAC files. I have used Level 5 with dbPowerAmp, and now understand that DVD Audio Extractor uses Level 8, which creates smaller files, but also sacrifices bitrate. However, at least Sampling rate and Bit-depth match the source media --- any thoughts on this? I am now tempted to rip as Wave in DVD-AE and then re-encode using dbPowerAmp with lower compression level, which yields a higher bit-rate.

There is no sacrifice of using level 8 over level 5 when encoding to FLAC. dbPowerAmp can do level 8 FLAC as I think you know. If one has say 16 TBs of FLAC music files, then it is helpful to use 8 to maximized your drive space. You would not be giving up any quality by doing so.

 

[hi-res_edition]

This geeky bit-rate is where I am clearly falling short in full comprehension of lossless compression. In a general search, some have said that a higher bit-rate yields a more accurate mathematical restoration, aka more pure sound. Those bit-rates for stereo files can range lets say between 2,000 and 3,000 kbps, depending on the level chosen. We all know that bit-rate matters for MP3 files... thus why would it be any different for FLAC? That is a rhetorical Q. I am still a bit stumped, but hearing that it may not matter for Lossless formats based on the above comments. Frankly, bit-depth is the most meaningful number to me, followed by sampling rate... and now I have become hyper focused on this bit-rate as my geeky side explodes out of my head.

 

[himey]

for FLAC

The compression is lossless. Like a zip file.

Back in the day, when processors were slow, it mattered what level compression. Today it doesn't matter with fast processors and cheap storage. Mp3 is lossy so the bitrate will determine quality, unlike FLAC.

 

[par4ken]

The compression is lossless. Like a zip file.

Back in the day, when processors were slow, it mattered what level compression. Today it doesn't matter with fast processors and cheap storage. Mp3 is lossy so the bitrate will determine quality, unlike FLAC.

Back in the day my old computer would struggle stutter/pause when attempting to playback flac while wav and mp3 both played fine. So there might be a grain of salt with some people preferring to use wav for better sound over flac. I would obviously suggest in that unlikely event they should upgrade their computer.

I normally use compression level five which most programs set as default. I have never bothered to use higher levels of compression, as you say cheap storage makes that rather unnecessary.