ELP Emerson Lake & Palmer Cataloge in 5.1 Surround

[strat54]

In which song(s) do you think vocals were re-recorded? I am curious to know.

The main one is Jerusalem, the opening lines are a different performance, up until "And did the Countenance Divine,"
I read an article somewhere at the time they were producing the 5.1 mixes that some parts were being touched up.
The first time I listened to the DVD slight variations caught my ear in various tracks. Now that I am used to it it has become a blur,
but definitely the opening lines are noticeable for phrasing and pitch.

 

[fredblue]

isn't "Benny the Bouncer" a different lead vocal take on the DVD-A? I don't know if that's one of the revisited tracks, too!?

 

[tarkusnj]

isn't "Benny the Bouncer" a different lead vocal take on the DVD-A? I don't know if that's one of the revisited tracks, too!?

The different vocals on Benny from the DVD-A version are the original from the multi-tracks. The lyrics were overdubbed/changed on the original stereo master tapes that you hear on the LP releases and subsequent CD issues.
I don't have any proof of this but it became VERY obvious when A-B'ing both versions.

 

[fredblue]

The different vocals on Benny from the DVD-A version are the original from the multi-tracks. The lyrics were overdubbed/changed on the original stereo master tapes that you hear on the LP releases and subsequent CD issues.
I don't have any proof of this but it became VERY obvious when A-B'ing both versions.

thank you for the clarification i always wondered why it sounded so different!

 

[tarkusnj]

thank you for the clarification i always wondered why it sounded so different!

Don't take my word for it. A-B the both of them and you can hear Greg's voice is the same on the DVD-A version through "the people laughed as he bled..." but then on the original stereo mixes "the people gasped as he bled..." Greg's intonation is clearly different then the verse prior to it.

 

[strat54]

isn't "Benny the Bouncer" a different lead vocal take on the DVD-A? I don't know if that's one of the revisited tracks, too!?

Yes, that's a definite. The opening lines are tonally different, also the DVD has "Benny was the bouncer at the Palais de Dance" the CD/LP has "Benny was the bouncer at the Palais de Dahnce" as pronunciation.
Tomato-Tomahto @:

 

[strat54]

The different vocals on Benny from the DVD-A version are the original from the multi-tracks. The lyrics were overdubbed/changed on the original stereo master tapes that you hear on the LP releases and subsequent CD issues.
I don't have any proof of this but it became VERY obvious when A-B'ing both versions.

I think he recut them, his voice sounds older and raspier. I also have no proof, in case you were warming up your flamethrower

 

[drSeehas]

... until they get around to deciding that there would be some money in re-releasing it

Re-releasing doesn't mean always the extra cost of a new mix and/or new mastering:
Just make another pressing run with the existing 10 years or so old mix and mastering (hiding legal issues).
The numbers of these two new releases will tell if there can be made money, whereupon the hurdle for BSS would be lower without the extra cost of remixing/remastering.

 

[oxforddickie]

That's what i meant

 

[strat54]

personally i don't see the point in another re-mix of BSS. What we have already is just fine, and in some respects better done (not so sloppy) than the first two albums

Absolutely, all we need is a re-release on DVD-A, or better still Blu-ray (because of potential sales) so the next generation can buy it.

 

[tarkusnj]

Absolutely, all we need is a re-release on DVD-A, or better still Blu-ray (because of potential sales) so the next generation can buy it.

The problem with Blu-ray is that I can't play that in my cars!

 

[elmer]

The problem with Blu-ray is that I can't play that in my cars!

You can extract uncompressed 5.1 audio from Blu Ray and convert it either lossless DVD-A or lossy DVD DTS depending on your car systems capabilities - I've done it for every music Blu Ray disc I own.

 

[oxforddickie]

Absolutely, all we need is a re-release on DVD-A, or better still Blu-ray (because of potential sales) so the next generation can buy it.

You can extract uncompressed 5.1 audio from Blu Ray and convert it either lossless DVD-A or lossy DVD DTS depending on your car systems capabilities

Well, to be honest with you, a Blu-Ray only release will not generate the sales. DVD-A/V releases are still the only real way to go for company's, because basically, Blu-Ray just isn't doing it in the market place.

And if you want proof, Emers comments are the perfect example. What's the point?

Blu-Ray is struggling because people just don't see (or hear) the point. DVD is perfectly ok for the majority of the general public, just look at the shops selling disc's, here in the UK, DVD still reigns supreme, and i suspect it will for quite some time to come.

 

[drSeehas]

... better still Blu-ray (because of potential sales) so the next generation can buy it.

Another problem with BD is that it is more expensive than DVD-Video/-Audio, so less potential sales, not more!

 

[haikubass]

Another problem with BD is that it is more expensive than DVD-Video/-Audio, so less potential sales, not more!

While there are those boxes with BD-A asking steep prices, I certainly do not complain when it comes to the other BD-A titles released so far.

Here's what I've paid for the BD-A part of my collection (all purchased new & sealed from Amazons, Wow HD, ImportCDs and the like, except for Rush that I got at eBay, but still sealed):

Patricia Barber: Modern Cool $18.36
Ali Isabella: Say You'll Be Mine $12.29
Led Zeppelin: Celebration Day BD-A (on preoder) C$16.99
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: Damn the Torpedoes $21.99
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: Mojo C$ 21.99
Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross: The Social Network Soundtrack $20.00
Rush: Moving Pictures $9.50
Storm Corrosion €12,99
Steven Wilson: Grace for Drowning $12.99

I say give us more (options)!

 

[strat54]

Well, to be honest with you, a Blu-Ray only release will not generate the sales. DVD-A/V releases are still the only real way to go for company's, because basically, Blu-Ray just isn't doing it in the market place.

And if you want proof, Emers comments are the perfect example. What's the point?

Blu-Ray is struggling because people just don't see (or hear) the point. DVD is perfectly ok for the majority of the general public, just look at the shops selling disc's, here in the UK, DVD still reigns supreme, and i suspect it will for quite some time to come.

Very few people have DVD-A compared to Blu-Ray
There are over 60 million Sony Playstation 3 out there, and millions more Blu-Ray standalone and combo units, also laptops and PCs, all capable of playing Hi-Rez uncompressed multichannel audio.
Of course there are even more DVD-V players out there but you won't find any 5.1 uncompressed DVDs for sale.
The potential sales are there for BD audio provided they are priced like movies, $10-20, and not like box sets with marbles.:howl

 

[fredblue]

I'd happily buy into BD Audio as a format for Hi-Res Multichannel music - I just don't see it becoming the standard anytime soon.

 

[elmer]

4 points if I may...

1 - this thread is careening off the rails in a serious tangent.
2 - my initial comment regarding extracting hi rez content from Blu Ray for playback in my car surround system was hi-jacked to illustrate someone else's agenda (one that I do not agree with).
3 - I don't care if it is Blu Ray, DVD A, SACD or frontal lobe implants - just give me surround content - I'll make the best of it.
4 - handicapping formats is a waste of time - Blu Ray is growing 20% every year in sales while DVD declines by the same amount - it's not the format that's the problem - it's the CONTENT!

 

[oxforddickie]

Blu Ray is growing 20% every year in sales while DVD declines by the same amount - it's not the format that's the problem - it's the CONTENT!

In the USA maybe, but there's more to the world than America

 

[drSeehas]

... Here's what I've paid for the BD-A part of my collection (all purchased new & sealed from Amazons, Wow HD, ImportCDs and the like, except for Rush that I got at eBay, but still sealed):

Patricia Barber: Modern Cool $18.36
Ali Isabella: Say You'll Be Mine $12.29
Led Zeppelin: Celebration Day BD-A (on preoder) C$16.99
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: Damn the Torpedoes $21.99
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: Mojo C$ 21.99
Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross: The Social Network Soundtrack $20.00
Rush: Moving Pictures $9.50
Storm Corrosion €12,99
Steven Wilson: Grace for Drowning $12.99
...

These are all end user retail prices. I am talking about production costs.

I pick at random "Led Zeppelin: Celebration Day" and importCDs (there is no single DVD):
version 2CD+DVD 2CD+BD
UK $30,60 $31,22
US $17,69 $20,59
Even in this arbitrary selection, the BD retail prices are higher than the DVD retail prices.