ELP Emerson Lake & Palmer Cataloge in 5.1 Surround

[strat54]

This is the link to the 3 disc bundle. 2 CDs and 1 DVD-A, $17
http://elp.merchnow.com/products/166324/brain-salad-surgery-40th-anniversary-cd

 

[user 1679]

I'll definitely go for the 2CD/DVD-A set - don't need vinyl or tshirts here. That price is not too bad for a new 5.1 mix and a few additional alternate takes. I think though I may need to go through all those cd's of BSS sitting on my shelf and decide which to keep and which are now redundant!

 

[Cibola]

Is it known for certain that the "DVD-A" is truly MLP as opposed to DD or DTS?

 

[IMachine]

I'll wait for Amazon.

 

[alainneau]

Thank You just Ordered :banana:

I just ordered to ! :sun

Now, waiting for Trilogy ! :xp:

 

[artwwweb]

There is an interview with Carl Palmer in this month’s Record Collector [UK] magazine. He gets asked about the ELP reissues and gives quite a depressing answer:

RC: Are you happy with the way that ELP reissues have been presented?
CP: Not really. There was a time when people thought that it was a good idea to remix Brain Salad Surgery – that was a disaster. Then they wanted to bring in Porcupine Tree’s Steven Wilson. You have to understand that this music was already great before he got to it. So it was a ploy by the record company to put a modern-day name on it and see if they could pick up more fans. I don’t think the job was exceptional; the music was great anyway.

There are often complaints that record buyers don’t understand 5.1, that the record companies don’t understand, even that some bands don’t understand. But I think the ELP reissues led to the feeling that they understood. But Palmer’s comments show that he doesn’t understand what was achieved with the new remixes. He doesn’t have to care about 5.1, and from that view point I can see that he might think remixing was pointless, but of course QQ members don’t agree. I suppose my point is, if even the good stuff is misunderstood by (one of) the artists involved, what hope is there of persuading the unconvinced?

 

[timbre4]

Carl is very talented. However he does have an attitude. He chooses to be suspicious and think that people are messing with his legacy. I doubt he ever heard the 5.1 mixes or stood still long enough to hear a proper explanation of it. Given his attitude, maybe they thought why bother?


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[fredblue]

such a shame maybe part of why SW didn't do any more ELP remixes after the 1st two albums? He's a busy man, he'd probably rather not waste his time and talents on artists that don't appreciate what he brings to the table, beyond the "trendy" cache of Porcupine Tree that Palmer is implying (rather rudely and unnecessarily imho.) as a record label marketing ploy rather than having any artistic merit. I'll bet Palmer's not complaining about the royalties from the faddish reissues and the new fans that the remixes he deems pointless have brought.. personally I wouldn't be buying anymore ELP records at this stage of the game without surround & remixes to up the interest and potential sound quality benefits etc and I suspect I'm not alone in this.

 

[alainneau]

such a shame maybe part of why SW didn't do any more ELP remixes after the 1st two albums? He's a busy man, he'd probably rather not waste his time and talents on artists that don't appreciate what he brings to the table, beyond the "trendy" cache of Porcupine Tree that Palmer is implying (rather rudely and unnecessarily imho.) as a record label marketing ploy rather than having any artistic merit. I'll bet Palmer's not complaining about the royalties from the faddish reissues and the new fans that the remixes he deems pointless have brought.. personally I wouldn't be buying anymore ELP records at this stage of the game without surround & remixes to up the interest and potential sound quality benefits etc and I suspect I'm not alone in this.

No, you are not alone...:brew

 

[rtbluray]

There is an interview with Carl Palmer in this month’s Record Collector [UK] magazine. He gets asked about the ELP reissues and gives quite a depressing answer

Believe it or not, I can understand his point to a certain extent concerning the original BSS 5.1 mix from 2000 (which is the mix I assume he's calling a disaster) as it wasn't faithful to the original mix at times and was very gimmicky in parts. Just like the original 5.1 remix of Yes' "Fragile", at times, the 5.1 remixes of these albums were not natural extensions of how I would want to hear those records in surround, so I can understand his disappointment from that perspective, and I can see why it might have already put a sour taste in his mouth concerning SW's remixes. The difference is that SW's remixes are MUCH more natural than those of the past, and I have no problems with just about anything that he's remixed, so if Carl really didn't give them a fair chance, then he shouldn't be running his mouth off.
I can see now why SW jumped ship on the ELP remixes as he's said that none of the band members were really involved in the remixing process at all, and I guess he preferred to work with certain artists and their catalogues that he greatly respects more and who greatly respect him more (Fripp, Partridge, Anderson, etc)

I'm looking forward to Jakko's mixes of this album, mostly because I always felt that "Brain Salad Surgery" could benefit greatly from a new (but still faithful) stereo remix, as I never felt that the original mix sounded as good as the albums that came before it, but honestly, all I really care about concerning ELP at this point is "Trilogy". Other than that, I'm saving my money for the remaining King Crimson and Jethro Tull reissues, the Yes and XTC catalogues, and anything Wilson is willing to get his hands on (Roxy Music and Gentle Giant?)

 

[alainneau]

Believe it or not, I can understand his point to a certain extent concerning the original BSS 5.1 mix from 2000 (which is the mix I assume he's calling a disaster) as it wasn't faithful to the original mix at times and was very gimmicky in parts.

I bought this DVD-Audio in 2000… OK, the sound was not perfect but I remembered when I saw ELP in Paris in 1974, when they played BSS during the "Welcome back my friend…" Tour, the sound turned around the hall…magic ! This DVD-A made me 30 years younger !!
Then, I did a good deal: I bought for 35 euros in 2000… I ripped it with DVDFab to my multimedia reader (PopCorn Hour) and I sold it on eBay to a french ELP fan for 70 euros last year !

And now, I ordered (17 $ + 13 $ shipping = 30 $, the account is good with my DVD-A's deal !) this new remix in 5.1… who will make me 40 years younger !! :spot

 

[LizardKing]

Believe it or not, I can understand his point to a certain extent concerning the original BSS 5.1 mix from 2000 (which is the mix I assume he's calling a disaster) as it wasn't faithful to the original mix at times and was very gimmicky in parts.

Think he's talking about the Steven Wilson Remixes of ELP & Tarkus, and probably the stereo re-mixes..

 

[timbre4]

Frankly, I doubt Carl was even aware of the 2000 BSS DVD-A. His remarks sounded more contemporary to me.


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[rusinurbe]

such a shame maybe part of why SW didn't do any more ELP remixes after the 1st two albums? He's a busy man, he'd probably rather not waste his time and talents on artists that don't appreciate what he brings to the table, beyond the "trendy" cache of Porcupine Tree that Palmer is implying (rather rudely and unnecessarily imho.) as a record label marketing ploy rather than having any artistic merit. I'll bet Palmer's not complaining about the royalties from the faddish reissues and the new fans that the remixes he deems pointless have brought.. personally I wouldn't be buying anymore ELP records at this stage of the game without surround & remixes to up the interest and potential sound quality benefits etc and I suspect I'm not alone in this.

I was only buying for the 5.1 always thought ELP was a bit OTT , so not alone

 

[cupboy]

I was only buying for the 5.1 always thought ELP was a bit OTT , so not alone

I bought them because seeing a Sony logo on a dvd-audio disc was amusing.

 

[ssully]

It's hard to know just was CP is referring to at every point there. The old 5.1 BSS mix on Rhino? Or some unreleased attempt at a 2ch remix?

Or the botched/mistaken release of the 5.1 mix as 2.0 channel, on Castle? And as regards the SW remixes, does he mean the 2ch
or the 5.1 or both?

 

[neil wilkes]

Is it known for certain that the "DVD-A" is truly MLP as opposed to DD or DTS?

Both. :banana:

 

[artwwweb]

I agree that it's hard to pin down which mixes CP is complaining about, but that's part of the problem - the fact that he either doesn't know or doesn't distinguish between them is a reflection of his level of involvement.

 

[fredblue]

Both. :banana:

ah you're doing the DVD! We're in safe hands :wave

(hope it's not to late to get that RPWL lot on the right track with their DVD! :yikes)

 

[fredblue]

curious we're "only" getting DVD-A on this (makes sense after the first two ELP remixes I suppose) but not BD-A too a la Yes & XTC, especially seeing as this is the legendary BSS after all.. guess the Blu will come one day, or maybe never if Sony stick to their downloading guns!

Funny.. Sony have got a track record of inventing a format and pulling the rug out from under it (SACD.. DualDisc... to name but two that have directly affected us QQ-ers!) but that they should create the BD and never release any music on it is a ..surprise!