How are you ripping your ATMOS Blu Rays?

[Zepfan]

Thanks both. Looks like the Vero will meet my needs.

 

[jarrod2750]

Ok, so I read this thread 3x and I can be dense. But 7.1 playback is just that and the overhead Atmos channels get mapped side surround? Or am I doing something wrong? I ripping via MakeMKV then extracting the audio via MMH. TIA

 

[HomerJAU]

What output format are you extracting to?

If you use MKV, mka, mp4 or m4a the Atmos stream is preserved and can be decoded via Passthrough by your AVR (As Atmos if your AVR has an Atmos decoder, or 7.1 if your AVR has a TrueHD decoder or 5.1 I’d you have a AC3 decoder).

If you use FLAC or WAV only the Atmos 7.1 core is decoded to PCM so you lose the Atmos metadata and will hear everything in the Atmos mix redistributed to 7.1 if you have a 7.1 system or 5.1 if you have a 5,1 system, with your system remixing the 7.1 to 5.1 losing no information (rears merged with sides).

 

[jarrod2750]

What output format are you extracting to?

If you use MKV, mka, mp4 or m4a the Atmos stream is preserved and can be decoded via Passthrough by your AVR (As Atmos if your AVR has an Atmos decoder, or 7.1 if your AVR has a TrueHD decoder or 5.1 I’d you have a AC3 decoder).

If you use FLAC or WAV only the Atmos 7.1 core is decoded to PCM so you lose the Atmos metadata and will hear everything in the Atmos mix redistributed to 7.1 if you have a 7.1 system or 5.1 if you have a 5,1 system, with your system remixing the 7.1 to 5.1 losing no information (rears merged with sides).

That was my issue - using WAV. I did a trial run using the MKV file extension and voila!!! Now I have to fix 59 album rips! Luckily, I am still in possession of 56 of them. Thank you very much.

When doing the audio extraction, is there a way to run it where it puts the files in a folder? Can I run multiple files at once and it automatically groups it into folders? Thanks

 

[Roy_Boy]

I have a 5.2.4 (4 height speakers). I bought a Neumi Atom 4k device to stream Atmos music/concerts from a USB SSD attached to the Neumi then HDMI out to my Anthem AVM70. I am using MakeMKV on a MacBook to rip Blu-ray to an MKV file. They play fine from the Neumi except it is just one big file with no chapters to be able to navigate to specific tracks. Are there any tools that run on Mac that would allow me to extract/breakup the MKV into individual files? It seems like all the tools I find are Windows-based. Thanks

 

[strepto42]

Late to the party here. Interesting to read about the loss of spatial data when converting Atmos to FLAC. I've been making everything FLAC for ages. Admittedly I only have S/PDIF 5.1 and so I'm not hearing anything less but for future proofing the discussion has been interesting.

I use Winamp (lol, I know) or Foobar2000 for playback generally, Kodi sometimes (it runs as a second screen on my TV). I seem to get gapless from Winamp just fine.

For the record my process is (slightly laborious):
1. Extract Disc to MKV with MakeMKV
2. Use mkvtoolnix to extract audio only, select split before all chapters
3. Convert to flac using eac3to: for %X in (M:\Music\flac\MKV\*.mka) do start eac3to "%X" "%X.flac" is a nice command prompt shortcut
4. Rename files, then auto-add metadata using foobar2000 and this pattern (%artist%\%album%\%tracknumber% - %title%)
5. Calculate/add replaygain info and album art
6. Enjoy!

 

[Marplot]

I have a 5.2.4 (4 height speakers). I bought a Neumi Atom 4k device to stream Atmos music/concerts from a USB SSD attached to the Neumi then HDMI out to my Anthem AVM70. I am using MakeMKV on a MacBook to rip Blu-ray to an MKV file. They play fine from the Neumi except it is just one big file with no chapters to be able to navigate to specific tracks. Are there any tools that run on Mac that would allow me to extract/breakup the MKV into individual files? It seems like all the tools I find are Windows-based. Thanks

Try MKVToolNix
https://mkvtoolnix.download/downloads.html#macosx

I run on Win so can't speak to the mac port.
If it does you can use mkvmerge to split the mkv into component chapters.

mkvmerge -o ${OUTPUT} --split "chapters:all" ${SOURCE}
# Incremental numbers will be appended to the ${OUTPUT} filename.
# example: mkvmerge -o doors.mkv --split "chapters:all" The_Doors.mkv

 

[drumgail]

Hello Everyone, I recently ripped over 2 terabytes of my CD library to a 4 TB hard drive using DBPoweramp and it worked well, I recently started ripping my Blu-Ray Audio, Quad and DVD-Audio discs, after reading this, I might be doing it wrong or need to adjust my process, my home theater has a 13.1 speaker set up, I want the ability to have full dolby atmos play from my rips, my home theater is using a Marantz 8805 preamp, ATI Power Amps, M&K speakers, Eversolo DMP-A6, Oppo 105 and 205 players and I am thinking about a better Streaming DAC to work with the Eversolo in the future but I wanted the HDMI multichannel ability and it provides that, I am retired and getting older, I want the convenience of my music library without bending over for the disc search...long term I am thinking of maybe a Roon for multiple endpoints in my house.

I recently started my Multichannel/Hi Rez ripping, I am currently using MakeMKV into DVD Audio Extractor for my Blu-Ray Audio discs (Atmos. DTS 5.1 and Stereo). So here is my problem, will my Atmos rips play back fully on my 13.1 system? Even if it says 8 channel when I am ripping on DVD Audio Extractor? Will the 6 Ceiling Height channels open up automatically because my Marantz has the Decoder and because it will be running HDMI out of the Eversolo streamer or the future Roon? I am using a Mac computer for this ripping process, as I said the rips will be on the 4TB hard drive connected to Roon or the 4TB drive installed in the Eversolo streamer, the Dual Disc, Quad and DVD Audio rips seem more straight forward.

The other struggle I got is with the Metadata, the DBPoweramp had great meta options, album art, multiple sources to choose from but with the DVD Audio Extractor it seems limited and it is changing the song orders during rips unless the song number is part of the song title...any help would be greatly appreciated..

 

[mandrix]

Hello Everyone, I recently ripped over 2 terabytes of my CD library to a 4 TB hard drive using DBPoweramp and it worked well, I recently started ripping my Blu-Ray Audio, Quad and DVD-Audio discs, after reading this, I might be doing it wrong or need to adjust my process, my home theater has a 13.1 speaker set up, I want the ability to have full dolby atmos play from my rips, my home theater is using a Marantz 8805 preamp, ATI Power Amps, M&K speakers, Eversolo DMP-A6, Oppo 105 and 205 players and I am thinking about a better Streaming DAC to work with the Eversolo in the future but I wanted the HDMI multichannel ability and it provides that, I am retired and getting older, I want the convenience of my music library without bending over for the disc search...long term I am thinking of maybe a Roon for multiple endpoints in my house.

I recently started my Multichannel/Hi Rez ripping, I am currently using MakeMKV into DVD Audio Extractor for my Blu-Ray Audio discs (Atmos. DTS 5.1 and Stereo). So here is my problem, will my Atmos rips play back fully on my 13.1 system? Even if it says 8 channel when I am ripping on DVD Audio Extractor? Will the 6 Ceiling Height channels open up automatically because my Marantz has the Decoder and because it will be running HDMI out of the Eversolo streamer or the future Roon? I am using a Mac computer for this ripping process, as I said the rips will be on the 4TB hard drive connected to Roon or the 4TB drive installed in the Eversolo streamer, the Dual Disc, Quad and DVD Audio rips seem more straight forward.

The other struggle I got is with the Metadata, the DBPoweramp had great meta options, album art, multiple sources to choose from but with the DVD Audio Extractor it seems limited and it is changing the song orders during rips unless the song number is part of the song title...any help would be greatly appreciated..

For Atmos you should stop the ripping process at MKV. This will preserve all the video and audio (same for other formats such as DTS-HD)
You could further rip Atmos to MP4 or M4A. I would not consider using DVD Audio Extractor for Atmos unless recent versions rip and preserve Atmos content to MP4 or M4A.
I don't know what your player will play/won't play.
I rip everything to .iso format and play with either PowerDVD Ultra/Jriver/VLC. This preserves the original intact fully but of course is not suitable for all hardware players.

EDIT: for DVDA .iso's I play with Foobar with the SACD DVDA component added from Sourceforge. Of course DVDA can be ripped with DVDAE to flac and played that way, same for SACD ripped (but not with DVDAE as far as I know)

 

[Mackspower]

Something to check: I'm not sure the Eversolo DMP-A6 supports digital passthrough (to your AVR). I think the Eversolo's HDMI output is limited to 5.1. The good news is, either of your Oppo's can do the job of passing ATMOS to the Marantz AVR.
It seems like the whole digital streaming hardware market has various forms of HDMI crippling . . . no doubt to avoiding licensing costs.

 

[drumgail]

Something to check: I'm not sure the Eversolo DMP-A6 supports digital passthrough (to your AVR). I think the Eversolo's HDMI output is limited to 5.1. The good news is, either of your Oppo's can do the job of passing ATMOS to the Marantz AVR.
It seems like the whole digital streaming hardware market has various forms of HDMI crippling . . . no doubt to avoiding licensing costs.

So I looked into it...you are right, the Eversolo's HDMI audio output is limited to 5.1, so the Atmos rips I did unfortunately will not work with my system setup to properly maximize all my speakers, the Eversolo HDMI output will play the SACD DSD64 rips I will will be doing with my Oppo 105, I think that my DTS 5.1 rips, DVD-Audio & Quad rips and my 192/24 stereo rips will also work through the HDMI out of the Eversolo. When you said "either of your Oppo's can do the job of passing Atmos to the Marantz AVR", did you mean by inserting and playing the disc?

Thanks for your answer...This has been a time consuming task...lucky that I am retired, lol

 

[SeeMoreDigital]

So I looked into it...you are right, the Eversolo's HDMI audio output is limited to 5.1, so the Atmos rips I did unfortunately will not work with my system setup to properly maximize all my speakers, the Eversolo HDMI output will play the SACD DSD64 rips I will will be doing with my Oppo 105, I think that my DTS 5.1 rips, DVD-Audio & Quad rips and my 192/24 stereo rips will also work through the HDMI out of the Eversolo. When you said "either of your Oppo's can do the job of passing Atmos to the Marantz AVR", did you mean by inserting and playing the disc?

Thanks for your answer...This has been a time consuming task...lucky that I am retired, lol

Your OPPO's HDMI output can pass every 2-ch and multi-channel audio format you've mentioned (to your Marantz AVR) including Atmos!

 

[steveoat87]

I highly recommend Garry's (Homer's) method. I spent weeks figuring this out and Garry was kind enough to help me every step of the way. It was even more confusing because I'm on a Mac, but Parallels software was my salvation, as now I can use MMH. As I am also using JRiver, here's my fairly straightforward method:

- Copy/Decrypt the entire disc using MakeMKV
- Open decrypted folder in MakeMKV, deselect every section but the one containing the TrueHD stream. Within that one section, deselect everything (video, DD, etc) but the TrueHD stream. Hit "Make MKV".
- Put the resulting .mkv file in a folder named for the album (however your files are organized in your library). Download cover art for the album in jpg format. Add this to the same folder, and change the name of the jpg to wither "cover.jpg" or "folder.jpg".
- In MMH select "Extract Audio from MKV" and select the .mkv folder. It will break it up into individual .mka files. Select "Get Tags from MusicBrainz" to tag these files. Select "Copy Tags". Under "Album Art", hit the top button "Find Art" and select the jpg. Hit "Tag and Rename".
- Toss the big .mkv file. Add the folder containing all the .mka's and sidecar files to JRiver.

Voila! You've now got full lossless Atmos files added to your library. I play these over DLNA by sending them from JRiver to my Oppo 205, which sends the signal to my Pre/Pro via Bitstream so the Pre/Pro is doing the decoding. I can't tell you the satisfaction I get every time I see the Pre/Pro display ATMOS when I play one of these files.

Hope this helps and good luck!

Not sure how you play files from Jriver. What settings do you use. I see there is a setting for DLNA under media servers. How do you configure the DLNA. How do you set the bitstream so the HDMI passes the file to my Denon 4800 receiver. Thanks.

 

[steveoat87]

I figured out the problem I was having with JRiver. I was using JRiver for the mac and apparently you can't bitstream atmos files on the mac. Works fine on Windows. However, I have a number of mkv files without cover art. I tried to embed cover art using mp3tag and Media Helper but have been unable to do so. How do you do this?

 

[mandrix]

Not sure how you play files from Jriver. What settings do you use. I see there is a setting for DLNA under media servers. How do you configure the DLNA. How do you set the bitstream so the HDMI passes the file to my Denon 4800 receiver. Thanks.

There are tutorials on the JRiver site.

 

[HomerJAU]

Mark @marpow has posted instructions here on QQ.

 

[HomerJAU]

I tried to embed cover art using mp3tag and Media Helper but have been unable to do so. How do you do this?

I think JRiver will pickup a cover image file if the art is not embedded

 

[steveoat87]

I think JRiver will pickup a cover image file if the art is not embedded

Unfortunately, it does not. Still looking for solutions

 

[mandrix]

I don't rip past .iso images so I don't know what JRiver will do with mkv/flac etc as far as art. I use it mostly for SACD .iso playback. The thing crashes on me too much playing Atmos .iso files at times. Plus I find the mounting program doesn't always release .iso files after playback and the program is closed. Seems to be a work in progress to me, so I mostly use PowerDVD.
But it seems to pick up cover art in the same folder as the .iso files. I don't sit and watch non video playback though.

 

[mandrix]

I don't rip past .iso images so I don't know what JRiver will do with mkv/flac etc as far as art. I use it mostly for SACD .iso playback. The thing crashes on me too much playing Atmos .iso files at times. Plus I find the mounting program doesn't always release .iso files after playback and the program is closed. Seems to be a work in progress to me, so I mostly use PowerDVD.
But it seems to pick up cover art in the same folder as the .iso files. I don't sit and watch non video playback though.

There are people on here that seem to know JRiver way way better than I do.
But I noticed as I was scrolling through the SACD's in the Panes setting, if there's a pic named "folder".jpg in the same folder as the .iso file it shows up, as a thumbnail in the list, and on playback if you double click the preview pane.
If it's a recognized SACD it will also display the tracks on the SACD.

I never really paid any attention before, because I usually initiate playback from Windows File Manager and never spent much time setting up JRiver as I don't rip to flac, etc.