Listening to Now (In Surround) - Volume 2

[GOS]

LMAO! Last night I was in bed...and my wife texted me.... She was still up downstairs watching the tube. She says, "I'm sorry, I opened one of your packages as I thought it was mine". I said, "what is it"? She says, "oh, it's just a CD".

hahaha - CD. Well, it is Opeth DVD-A and or V. After all of the music discs I buy, I've tried to educate her...and she called it a CD. Hee. @:

 

[4-earredwonder]

So many musicians selling out. Shame on Springsteen but lets leave it at that.

But think of the alternative: The Invasion of the ***** snatcher :yikes:kitty:

 

[fredblue]

LMAO! Last night I was in bed...and my wife texted me.... She was still up downstairs watching the tube. She says, "I'm sorry, I opened one of your packages as I thought it was mine". I said, "what is it"? She says, "oh, it's just a CD".

hahaha - CD. Well, it is Opeth DVD-A and or V. After all of the music discs I buy, I've tried to educate her...and she called it a CD. Hee. @:

haha.. its a bitter pill to swallow but.. most people just don't give a **** about our little hobby, including (and in some cases especially ) our nearest and dearest :violin

You wanna see the looks I get when I go bounding into a record shop; "Hi, do you have any Quadraphonic records?"

I might as well be asking for ****ographic ones.. I might have more luck

 

[CPR]

LMAO! Last night I was in bed...and my wife texted me.... She was still up downstairs watching the tube. She says, "I'm sorry, I opened one of your packages as I thought it was mine". I said, "what is it"? She says, "oh, it's just a CD".

hahaha - CD. Well, it is Opeth DVD-A and or V. After all of the music discs I buy, I've tried to educate her...and she called it a CD. Hee. @:

Been there done that; btw: the Mrs., actually commented in the Acura that the surround on "Cousin Dupree"/Steely Dan was awesome; lol
Most of the time she's oblivious; Cd's, BT Audio, HDD, IPod,DTS, etc.
Have to be thankful for small details; haha

 

[CPR]

Honestly! I still cannot believe we have Beatles...in surround...that sounds this excellent! Whoa.....so good.

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Just "IMAGINE" what John would think!

 

[fredblue]

Been there done that; btw: the Mrs., actually commented in the Acura that the surround on "Cousin Dupree"/Steely Dan was awesome; lol
Most of the time she's oblivious; Cd's, BT Audio, HDD, IPod,DTS, etc.
Have to be thankful for small details; haha

a breakthrough! you musta been grinding her down..!
(err... that came out wrong sorry ..you know what I mean! :ugham: )

 

[rtbluray]

But think of the alternative: The Invasion of the ***** snatcher :yikes:kitty:

For some reason I cannot multi-quote, but if I could, I would include keenly's 'wall street' comment in this as well.
This is QuadraphonicQuad, not Facebook, so please keep any and all political quips off of here.

And I do not want to have to say this again today, so heed this warning the first time!

 

[rtbluray]

Do you listen as quad like origionally intended or in 5.1, doubling up on the center and sub?

I believe now that these 5.1 mixes are the original quads in the four corners and added sounds in the center and lfe channels, is that your take on them?

To answer your question, I listened to the SACD exactly as it was presented, and I cannot be more specific than that right now.

 

[fredblue]

To answer your question, I listened to the SACD exactly as it was presented, and I cannot be more specific than that right now.

did you get a chance over the years to try out any of your Quad>SACD & Quad>DTS CDs that have fake Centre & LFE in just 4-channel, Ryan?

much prefer it fwiw.. its uncanny the phantom centre imaging some of those old Quads have, such a shame engineers in the modern era were compelled to futz with what was already perfect in Quad just cos some folk bleated on about there not being anything coming out of their centre speaker or subwoofer! :ugham:

just on a related tangent, iirc I think Columbias' Quad consoles had a specific position for Centre Front (its on the CBS SQ test disc afaik).. whatever, it seems they really tried to keep the image as solid up in CF as poss.. v.important with all the phase shifting shenanigans their SQ system would be doing with their Quad mixes I imagine..!?

 

[4-earredwonder]

did you get a chance over the years to try out any of your Quad>SACD & Quad>DTS CDs that have fake Centre & LFE in just 4-channel, Ryan?

much prefer it fwiw.. its uncanny the phantom centre imaging some of those old Quads have, such a shame engineers in the modern era were compelled to futz with what was already perfect in Quad just cos some folk bleated on about there not being anything coming out of their centre speaker or subwoofer! :ugham:

just on a related tangent, iirc I think Columbias' Quad consoles had a specific position for Centre Front (its on the CBS SQ test disc afaik).. whatever, it seems they really tried to keep the image as solid up in CF as poss.. v.important with all the phase shifting shenanigans their SQ system would be doing with their Quad mixes I imagine..!?

That continuous controversy about the center channel.:yikes As we all should be well aware, the center channel was an invention of the Motion Picture industry to prioritize dialogue from those vast movie screens so that attendees sitting off center could clearly hear that dialogue. Even Steve Wilson admitted that listening in STEREO is actually THREE channel with the phantom center clearly a product of proper imaging from the left and right front speakers.

And from my own experience....if your center speaker isn't an exact match for your left and right fronts....WHY BOTHER? It totally ruins the flow. Been there....done that!

And if what I'm saying is incorrect....then next time you play an album in stereo which contains vocals and you're not hearing the vocals, full throttle, from the phantom center then your speakers are NOT IMAGED PROPERLY.

Am currently listening to Led Zep's DVD~A of How The West Was Won ........... such a tease......would really love those classic Zep albums in SURROUND....ALL of them!

 

[fredblue]

That continuous controversy about the center channel.:yikes As we all should be well aware, the center channel was an invention of the Motion Picture industry to prioritize dialogue from those vast movie screens so that attendees sitting off center could clearly hear that dialogue. Even Steve Wilson admitted that listening in STEREO is actually THREE channel with the phantom center clearly a product of proper imaging from the left and right front speakers.

And from my own experience....if your center speaker isn't an exact match for your left and right fronts....WHY BOTHER? It totally ruins the flow. Been there....done that!

And if what I'm saying is incorrect....then next time you play an album in stereo which contains vocals and you're not hearing the vocals, full throttle, from the phantom center then your speakers are NOT IMAGED PROPERLY.

Am currently listening to Led Zep's DVD~A of How The West Was Won ........... such a tease......would really love those classic Zep albums in SURROUND....ALL of them!

well.. debating the worth of a Centre channel in the context of a 5.1 surround music mix including unique elements specific to the Centre channel is one thing that could spark some controversy..

..but an old Quad that has had faux Centre channel with info summed from other channels artificially created and plonked on a 5.1 SACD, adding nothing to the surround and even potentially throwing the Quad mix balance off kilter, is to me just pointless/needless.

 

[4-earredwonder]

..but an old Quad that has had faux Centre channel with info summed from other channels artificially created and plonked on a 5.1 SACD, adding nothing to the surround and even potentially throwing the Quad mix balance off kilter, is to me just pointless/needless.[/QUOTE]

I wholeheartedly agree, AB. Since a lot of posters have to double check that their center channels are indeed OFF or inactive when playing a QUAD SACD (or otherwise) is testimony to the acumen of those ancient (1970's) QUAD mixers who did such an outstanding job.

So many modern mixers are afraid to leave the center channel unused because of complaints from the unwashed that their center channel isn't active......DOUBLE DUH!

So when are you going 11:2, AB...........in my lifetime?

Gotta have those height channels.........:violin

Am currently playing the DVD~A of Best of the Sugarhill Gang....another Silverline GEM.

 

[himey]

That continuous controversy about the center channel.:yikes As we all should be well aware, the center channel was an invention of the Motion Picture industry to prioritize dialogue from those vast movie screens so that attendees sitting off center could clearly hear that dialogue. Even Steve Wilson admitted that listening in STEREO is actually THREE channel with the phantom center clearly a product of proper imaging from the left and right front speakers.

And from my own experience....if your center speaker isn't an exact match for your left and right fronts....WHY BOTHER? It totally ruins the flow. Been there....done that!

And if what I'm saying is incorrect....then next time you play an album in stereo which contains vocals and you're not hearing the vocals, full throttle, from the phantom center then your speakers are NOT IMAGED PROPERLY.

Am currently listening to Led Zep's DVD~A of How The West Was Won ........... such a tease......would really love those classic Zep albums in SURROUND....ALL of them!

Whole different can of worms as noted by the next two distinguished posters.

A matched center on a true 5.1 mix CAN be a welcomed addition! Lots of creative and interesting things can be acomplished using a center in addition to centering the vocals. For example, Sailing The Seas of Cheese, although limited, uses the center channel as a front effects channel. Very creative imo.

 

[4-earredwonder]

Whole different can of worms as noted by the next two distinguished posters.

A matched center on a true 5.1 mix CAN be a welcomed addition! Lots of creative and interesting things can be acomplished using a center in addition to centering the vocals. For example, Sailing The Seas of Cheese, although limited, uses the center channel as a front effects channel. Very creative imo.

But those same cool effects can be just as effective coming from a phantom center....trust me on that. I know it's a crappy pic, but my speakers are pictured in my avatar and they have buku tweeters front and rear flanked by two humongous subs and they reproduce dialogue from motion pictures/FIOS/Music [without a center channel] better than my 5.1 B&W system (satellites with matching center) in my bedroom by a tremendously wide margin.

Am currently spinning the DVD~A of Grandmaster Flash (Melle Mel & The Furious Five) Greatest hits.:banana:

 

[himey]

But those same cool effects can be just as effective coming from a phantom center....trust me on that. I know it's a crappy pic, but my speakers are pictured in my avatar and they have buku tweeters front and rear flanked by two humongous subs and they reproduce dialogue from motion pictures/FIOS/Music [without a center channel] better than my 5.1 B&W system (satellites with matching center) in my bedroom by a tremendously wide margin.

More than one way to skin a cat. Life is too short to argue over this. Center is least important channel but if you added a third matching speaker for the center and listened to a well mixed 5.1 recordings, I would be surprised if the additional channel wasn't beneficial. Maybe not in a bedroom but surely in many listening rooms. One size does not fit all and SW isn't the only mixing style out there. I am not giving up my center...

 

[Simon A]

But those same cool effects can be just as effective coming from a phantom center....trust me on that. I know it's a crappy pic, but my speakers are pictured in my avatar and they have buku tweeters front and rear flanked by two humongous subs and they reproduce dialogue from motion pictures/FIOS/Music [without a center channel] better than my 5.1 B&W system (satellites with matching center) in my bedroom by a tremendously wide margin.

Am currently spinning the DVD~A of Grandmaster Flash (Melle Mel & The Furious Five) Greatest hits.:banana:

I think it's a case by case situation.

Some of the 3.0 mixes I have feature the vocal in the center and the orchestra in Stereo in the left and right speakers. I sometimes like turning off the Stereo speakers only to keep the Center on and enjoy the singer on his own. It's pretty cool. I can't do that with a Phantom Center.

 

[4-earredwonder]

I think it's a case by case situation.

Some of the 3.0 mixes I have feature the vocal in the center and the orchestra in Stereo in the left and right speakers. I sometimes like turning off the Stereo speakers only to keep the Center on and enjoy the singer on his own. It's pretty cool. I can't do that with a Phantom Center.

Well, yeah, Simon but I have the opposite effect. Don't have a matched center (although it WAS specifically recommended as a center by B&W) for my B&W 802 Nautilus speakers and when I play, for instance, the three Channel APs of Nat King Cole, I disable the center and play it in stereo and it sounds significantly better in stereo. Case by Case would be the case, I suppose. If I did have 3 matching B&W 802 Nautilus speakers across the front, I'm sure it would sound GREAT but again, I have a projection screen in the middle and it would surely obscure the screen.

As always, whatever floats your boat.

 

[Simon A]

Back to an oldie but oh so goodie.

Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon (SACD)

 

[GOS]

Back to an oldie but oh so goodie.

Pink Floyd - The Dark Side Of The Moon (SACD)

Yes it is. You really can't go wrong with that one. I understand though. It's like Paranoid by Sabbath. Horribly overplayed...but nonetheless, a classic.

 

[Simon A]

Yes it is. You really can't go wrong with that one. I understand though. It's like Paranoid by Sabbath. Horribly overplayed...but nonetheless, a classic.

I consider myself privileged really. The first time I heard this album was in 2009. Yep, I had never heard it before. I knew Money and Time because of the 80's live album, but that was it. I hadn't been exposed to it growing up so I've never suffered from having heard it too often. This is the case for many great classic Rock albums. Over the last year an a half, I've had the luxury of discovering classic albums by hearing them for the first time in Quad. That's pretty neat.