Listening to Now (In Surround) - Volume 2

[fredblue]

Mostly correct, but correct nonetheless. :sun

[ The LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY was available as a standalone, but in Japan only so for most of us that would be an import-expensive one at that !!]

And additionaly, no standalones were available from the Grey or White boxes, well until currently with 3. Sides Live BLU-RAY.



I soooooo very wanted that "Lamb" SACD/DVD back then but the price was some ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ !!! ridiculous $100.00 + !!!

I'm over it now though . I do indeed blame Amazon for the persistent lies on the $400.00 SACD/DVD set preorder I was finally faced with cancelation in major frustration . I've learned from that negative experience. :chill

thanks for clearing that up doctor fizzy! I feel much better now, your chill pills are the best!

 

[fizzywiggs41]

IT CAME !!!!


Stand down !!!! or a er "STAND UP -JETHRO TULL cds/DTS DVD , gorgeous book too. Bloody 'ell ! She came yesterday, likely when I put my plea out to the mailman (see post # 7333 ). But I had logged off shortly after and checked the mail box,
ONE. LAST. TIME.

Back To The Family........superb use of surround , and all the others a big tip of the hat to S.W. and Ian . Well Done Lads point





signed,

a very happy Tullean .

fizzywiggs

 

[fizzywiggs41]

thanks for clearing that up doctor fizzy! I feel much better now, your chill pills are the best!

Doc Fizzy probably needs some himself. "The Doctor needs a Doctor" , but until then........lot's more TULL should be prescibed for all concerned. :chill:chill

 

[fredblue]

Versebridgechorus? - Kinobe



well worth tracking down the SACD me hearties, great surround on this one.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Actually, Adam ....or is it, er, MVP [:yikes], the Clooney SACDs have very discrete use of surrounds.

And I do believe that Concord (now UMG) does control the STAX label. I only have Isaac Haye's Hot Buttered Soul as a MoFi OOP STEREO SACD (and it SIZZLES) but I know Concord did release a number of Stereo only SACDs from STAX/FANTASY back in the day.

Would LOVE to hear those QUADS, though!

Me too.


Was kinda day dreaming that Maestro Tonmeister "Kevin Reeves" would surprise us with some 5 oh mixes of those Fantastic Fantasy (UMG) discs from CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL or just a good re-issue of the QUAD Hits disc might do it !


:sun

 

[fredblue]

Me too.


Was kinda day dreaming that Maestro Tonmeister "Kevin Reeves" would surprise us with some 5 oh mixes of those Fantastic Fantasy (UMG) discs from CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL or just a good re-issue of the QUAD Hits disc might do it !


:sun

interesting you should mention Kevin Reeves, FW... I was thinking of him just the other day and wondering what he might be upto, if he had any surround projects he was working on or that he has completed yet still to be released (specifically rather than what he had for breakfast that day..! )

meantime, I'm keeping an eye out for the contents of the upcoming Fresh Cream SDE.. just in case it has a surround remix, can't see it happening but you never know, Bill Levenson involved from what I can gather, a sign of quality no matter what and he has curated a fair few projects with Quad/5.1 included over the years..

 

[steelydave]

Oh.. I must've missed something.. ...is there said to be something up with the original MCh Headhunters SACD (the way there is with Blow By Blow) that's been corrected on the new AP SACD..?

The AP SACD uses the same quad transfer as the old Sony SACD - I think they just threw it in because Sony provided it to them gratis.

Both versions are (in my opinion) wrong when it comes to channel assignments - I think the rear channels should be swapped. Listen to the intro of Watermelon Man, which is some kinda pan flute/vocal thing. One sound is coming from the front left and rear right, and the other sound comes from front right and rear left which forms an 'X' shaped sound field...that's the telltale symbol of swapped rears if you ask me. If you swap them you get the sounds along the left and right side walls.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

interesting you should mention Kevin Reeves, FW... I was thinking of him just the other day and wondering what he might be upto, if he had any surround projects he was working on or that he has completed yet still to be released (specifically rather than what he had for breakfast that day..! )

meantime, I'm keeping an eye out for the contents of the upcoming Fresh Cream SDE.. just in case it has a surround remix, can't see it happening but you never know, Bill Levenson involved from what I can gather, a sign of quality no matter what and he has curated a fair few projects with Quad/5.1 included over the years..

Surely he's not surround idle, gotta be working on something to wet our appetites. CCR in surround is right up his alley I think.

Ok , go Levinson . Could use some vintage "Cream "of Surround.:sun

 

[GOS]

Surely he's not surround idle, gotta be working on something to wet our appetites. CCR in surround is right up his alley I think.

Ok , go Levinson . Could use some vintage "Cream "of Surround.:sun

Wow - you know CCR in Quad and or surround would be out of this world!

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Wow - you know CCR in Quad and or surround would be out of this world!

Yes, and those studio recordings are long overdue for a good surround treatment .






listening to now : "The Weeping Song" from Nick Cave/Seeds -Abattoir Blues Live Tour dts , dtsdvd/cds 2007. Great live album, moderate surround mix.
Contains a slightly longer version of his "Stagger Lee" epic tune-recommend this disc highly.!!

 

[Frogmort]

Jethro Tull - Stand Up

 

[Frogmort]

Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick

 

[GOS]

Well gosh.

I purchased "another" version of Woodstock. This one is 40th anniversary, Directors Cut. Damn.....it's good....
They pretty much show stuff you've never seen before, and I love it. Lots of great bands playing songs that never made the original movie and lots of behind the scenes...great stuff man.

For me, this is the ultimate version, since I wasn't there. Oh, and I think I only paid $6 total for this if I recall. @:

 

[Frogmort]

Woodstock Directors Cut is great, and almost 4 hours long! :yikes :banana:

Brecker Bros - Some Skunk Funk

 

[d0zer]

Nektar - Journey To The Centre Of The Eye 45th anniversary reissue
pretty good surround mix. Of course, the music's still a bit clumsy, because it was their first effort, but it's ok.
Unfortunately you get absolutely no informations about who did the surround mix or when it was made.

 

[fredblue]

The AP SACD uses the same quad transfer as the old Sony SACD - I think they just threw it in because Sony provided it to them gratis.

Both versions are (in my opinion) wrong when it comes to channel assignments - I think the rear channels should be swapped. Listen to the intro of Watermelon Man, which is some kinda pan flute/vocal thing. One sound is coming from the front left and rear right, and the other sound comes from front right and rear left which forms an 'X' shaped sound field...that's the telltale symbol of swapped rears if you ask me. If you swap them you get the sounds along the left and right side walls.

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Interesting.. Thanks Dave!
I'll have a look at how the HeadHunters SQ LP checks out thru the SM, should be interesting seeing as so far similarly suspicious diagonal pans have been the same on the record when decoded as the SACDs (Ship Ahoy, 3+3) curiously I did notice the other night on the CBS Labs SQ test disc there are test tones for positions LF to RB and RF to LB that the SM handled seemingly no sweat, the announcement is present and correct in each position and the system resolved the diagonals ok. I'll capture the results of the channel identification section of the test disc next time I run it and post a pic or something they're always fun (impressive results seeing as it's SQ, I was kinda amazed tbh..)

 

[fredblue]

Nektar - Journey To The Centre Of The Eye 45th anniversary reissue
pretty good surround mix. Of course, the music's still a bit clumsy, because it was their first effort, but it's ok.
Unfortunately you get absolutely no informations about who did the surround mix or when it was made.

Mark Powell & Paschal Byrne iirc.?
edit: I imagine the mix was done circa 2004 but not sure (the old SACD came out in '04 afaik)

 

[fredblue]

Interesting.. Thanks Dave!
I'll have a look at how the HeadHunters SQ LP checks out thru the SM, should be interesting seeing as so far similarly suspicious diagonal pans have been the same on the record when decoded as the SACDs (Ship Ahoy, 3+3) curiously I did notice the other night on the CBS Labs SQ test disc there are test tones for positions LF to RB and RF to LB that the SM handled seemingly no sweat, the announcement is present and correct in each position and the system resolved the diagonals ok. I'll capture the results of the channel identification section of the test disc next time I run it and post a pic or something they're always fun (impressive results seeing as it's SQ, I was kinda amazed tbh..)

Every picture tells a story.. and as you can see from the waveforms where the relative level differences of FL match SR & FR matches SL, this corresponds with your findings Dave, so the SQ LP decodes the same as the SACD (in other words the channels diagonally pan the animal noises/pipes in Watermelon Man)

From T to B;
1 = FL, 2 = FR, 3 = C, 4 = LFE, 5 = SL, 6 = SR



Edit: well well well (3 holes in the ground! ) I do declare! I prefer it with the rear channels flipped, for this track so far, it snaps things more into focus and makes the SQ feel closer to a discrete surround sound sensation (TM ) as decoded it feels a little more open and airy but kinda diffuse and a bit nebulous at the same time.. next time I spin the old SACD I'll do it with the rears flipped, its the way forward! Thanks Dave, you're a marvel :upthumb (love this album btw.. wonder if Man Child ever got a Quad mix that got shelved.. and the one that came after Secrets where he was singing with the vocoder, can't remember the album, Starlight Sunshine Sunlight something like that.. smashing! back to the Gin )

 

[GOS]

Every picture tells a story.. and as you can see from the waveforms where the relative level differences of FL match SR & FR matches SL, this corresponds with your findings Dave, so the SQ LP decodes the same as the SACD (in other words the channels diagonally pan the animal noises/pipes in Watermelon Man)

From T to B;
1 = FL, 2 = FR, 3 = C, 4 = LFE, 5 = SL, 6 = SR



Edit: well well well (3 holes in the ground! ) I do declare! I prefer it with the rear channels flipped, for this track so far, it snaps things more into focus and makes the SQ feel closer to a discrete surround sound sensation (TM ) as decoded it feels a little more open and airy but kinda diffuse and a bit nebulous at the same time.. next time I spin the old SACD I'll do it with the rears flipped, its the way forward! Thanks Dave, you're a marvel :upthumb (love this album btw.. wonder if Man Child ever got a Quad mix that got shelved.. and the one that came after Secrets where he was singing with the vocoder, can't remember the album, Starlight Sunshine Sunlight something like that.. smashing! back to the Gin )

I have a "NOOB" question. So, when you all say channels are swapped...what are you saying?

1. It's a genuine goof?
2. If it's a goof, how the hell does something like that happen before it gets released?
3. Or, you're saying, yeah.....they recorded it this way, but when I swap these channels, I like the way it sounds better? (personal preference)

 

[fredblue]

I have a "NOOB" question. So, when you all say channels are swapped...what are you saying?

1. It's a genuine goof?
2. If it's a goof, how the hell does something like that happen before it gets released?
3. Or, you're saying, yeah.....they recorded it this way, but when I swap these channels, I like the way it sounds better? (personal preference)

ohh... get your oven gloves on, its hot potato time..!! :flameopcorn

this is a tricky one because the official line is there's nothing wrong with them, they're correct as is.

I say this since it was verified on QQ by Brian Moura that the Quad master tapes (marked on the boxes? designated by tones on the leader of the tape? I dunno..) for some of these Sony Quads that have contentious rear channels specify the channel arrangement and that is the self-same channel layout that ended up on the consumer releases on both SQ LP/Q8 and Sony SACDs (Isleys 3+3, O'Jays Ship Ahoy are two that come to mind, this was wrt a conversation here about the Audio Fidelity Collection Surround SACD iirc).

how and when such potential channel swaps may have happened in the process from creation of the Quad mix through to replication for Quad LP/8-track release I've no idea.. maybe the mixes as presented are as they should be on the SQ/Q8/SACD versions, many of the people involved in the mixing and whatnot are either deceased or not saying..

..but my own take is sometimes these Quads just seem (for me) to fall into place better when you reverse the rears (3 + 3 in particular is one I'm convinced the rears are flipped.. Ship Ahoy I've bleated on about before ad nauseam, some things seem right when you reverse the rears other stuff seems out of whack in the mix when you flip 'em.. still love it though, one of me Quad faves! )