Yes - Close to the Edge 5.1 DVD-A/BluRay in October
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By "lossless on Denon" I mean the high resolution stereo version on the DVD.
Yes I did blind samples, but did I closely balance the output levels - I have no way of doing this accurately I don't think, we did try increasing the master volume for the DVD playback, if that's what you mean. Perhaps I'm just doing a fundamentally flawed comparison!
Perhaps. And there would be a further complication if the mastering of the standard and hi-res versions are different....e.g. one more compressed than the other, or different EQ.
isn't that so obvious, everyone is wrong and just ssully can be right
b.t.w. i'm curious who's invented DVD-A? if you're refering to folks from Meridian as DVD-A creators,
then they offered PPCM (MLP) lossless compresion algorithm which isn't yet DVD-A because a latest
one can be done without utilization of their codec as well.
isn't that so obvious, everyone is wrong and just ssully can be right
That's not even the case *here* -- see DennisMoore's posts -- so why are you misrepresenting the case?
Yes, I am referring to Bob Stuart of Meridian, one of the earliest advocates of 'hi rez', whose compression algorithm is the one most closely associated with DVD-A. Point being, even he doesn't think the sonic differences between it and CD are obvious, night and day, stunning, or whatever hype phrase audiophiles are using these days based on their sighted comparison. His argument for hi rez (put forth here in print and later expanded in a talk he gave , described here ) is based not on the need for more dynamic range (more bit depth) or more frequencies captured (higher sample rate) per se but on a need (he feels) to overcome possible artifacts of inadequate antialias/imaging filtering (he claims these are audible but hasn't provided test evidence nor shown how common they are)
Others have demonstrated that downconverting from hi rez to Redbook can be transparent in normal listening, which also argues against the 'need' for hi rez.
oh no offence was meant.
i just glad neither you or DennisMoore are driving force in recording industry.
and albeit i'm not a fan of YES, still pretty happy to get it @96/24 instead 44.1/16
I thank you all for the technical education on this. I know my ears wouldn't be able to tell the difference. So the convincing factor for me to decide between DVD-A and BR comes down to added materiel. And if I am not mistake, the BR has all the DVD-A has, plus a couple more features. I had both on pre order until I noticed this and realized there was no reason to get both.
I do have a question I am sure most, if not all of you, can answer. I have an idea on what the answer is but I have a feeling I am wrong.
What Do they mean by "Needle-drop of Original UK Vinyl" and "A1/B1 pressing"?
I do have a question I am sure most, if not all of you, can answer. I have an idea on what the answer is but I have a feeling I am wrong.
What Do they mean by "Needle-drop of Original UK Vinyl" and "A1/B1 pressing"?
DennisMoore Jr.
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
i just glad neither you or DennisMoore are driving force in recording industry.
and albeit i'm not a fan of YES, still pretty happy to get it @96/24 instead 44.1/16
You are lucky indeed my fine friend from the Great White North.
If I were to be as you say "the driving force in recording industry" I would ban all you silly Canuck, Celine Dion lovin, Peter Jennings believin, Toque wearin, William Shatner dead wife conspiracy theorists from civilized society and.... I would have you all listen to YES records(Steven Wilson 5.1 discrete mixes, of course) from YES - YES to YES - Drama until you all got some better perspective on things.
But, I would also offer my sincere thanks to you or any Canadian who was connected to in any way to the 3 young lads from Toronto who grew up to be the faulous boys in RUSH. The best thing Canada ever gave the civilized world(besides ice hockey).
Though the odds are long, I am still holding out hope for a discrete 5.1 mix of one of the greatest ever recordings:
RUSH - Hemispheres
As in "exclusive needle-drop of an original UK vinyl A1/B1 pressing transferred in 24bit/96khz audio."?
That means they procured a 1972 UK pressing of the LP (like this), and played it while recording the output digitally at 24/96. Benefits of this? The master tapes that the LP was sourced from were much younger then than they are now, which might make a positive difference....and for those who love the 'warmth' and 'ambience' of vinyl, all that will have been captured too.
DennisMoore Jr.
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
They mean to say they took a pretty good turntable, stylus and preamp and sampled at 96/24 an actual LP record. The A1/B1 is the earlier printing
of the record(stamping) kinda like books - 1st or 2nd edition. This helps identify the pedigree of the vinyl. 96khz@24 bit sampling is theoretically absolutely transparent.
So:
The attempt is to deliver the same experience of listening to the LP record yourself, but on your existing music system via the BluRay disc.
For LP fans this is a nice treat since it saves you the considerable expense of buying thousands of dollars of analog toys to get the LP record experience.
Mind you this will only be a 2.0 mix. It is also a fabulous opportunity for anybody to explore the differences between LP records vs digitally sampling from legacy magnetic tape mastered recordings. Why listen to a raving lunatic on either side when you can judge for yourself?
I am with you on that one. Love that album. Saw that tour. Great all around!!
And thanks to DennisMoore Jr. and ssully for the info on the needle drop. My thought was much more general. I love the warmth of an old fashioned LP and looking forward to hearing that. I do realize it is only stereo but that works out just fine for me and my headphones.
Ranasakawa
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
RE: BluRay, it is dead already, manufactures already have the nextgen storage optical media, so whatever choice you make you are buying an antique!
The big thing is to get a slice of discrete 5.1 pie, which is priceless!
LOL, about my name:
You are very keen indeed, that is the reason I chose that moniker. Forums have so many anal-retentive specification & pointless trivial data Nazis. If I can bring a smile to someone's face by behaving like a complete idiot, I will consider my work to be have been done.
To quote someone from another forum "needledrop of UK vinyl on BR - holy anachronism Batman"!!
Hemispheres on 5.1 - yes please.
Hemispheres on 5.1 - yes please.
Sony is pushing 4K because it's a download format, or some sort of cloud thing. Sony wants to eliminate discs. More profitable. 4K will never catch on and never will DSD downloads. Sony stupid.
neil wilkes
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Sometimes, when I read stuff like this, I wonder why we bother in the first place.
do you mean re: the needledrop comments, Neil? I guess the naysayers have never heard a good needledrop of a nice clean LP at 24/96 or they wouldn't come out with such crap!?
@:do you mean re: the needledrop comments, Neil? I guess the naysayers have never heard a good needledrop of a nice clean LP at 24/96 or they wouldn't come out with such crap!?
What 'crap' exacty?
Needledrops were described accurately above, by both myself and DennisMoore. The single 'naysaying' comment here was a quote from another form, calling needledrops an anachronism.
hey.. calm down the quoted "anachronism naysaying" bit is the crap I was referring to, nothing to do with anything you or DennisMoore said.
I was only asking Neil what was getting on his thrupenny-bits. if/until he responds we'll never know, it could just as much have been anything anyone said there as he omitted to quote the post in question. (just as I am here.. oops!)
the quoted "anachronism naysaying" bit is the crap I was referring to, nothing to do with anything you or DennisMoore said. I was only asking Neil what was getting on his thrupenny-bits. if/until he responds we'll never know, it could just as much have been anything anyone said there as he omitted to quote the post in question. (just as I am here.. oops!)
DennisMoore Jr.
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
I think Neil was lamenting my terming BluRay as an antique.
Sometimes the truth hurts:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...Blu-Ray-discs-offering-times-hi-def-2013.html
Some very clever lads from the UK have scooped this one.(This is not where I heard of the tech, BTW...)
Neil, if you don't like the changing of tech, think how we feel as consumers having to buy all this crap again & again. Lemme show you my YES live in Montreaux, on HD DVD(a dead format and waste of $$$). Please tell Sony & the record companies to stop screwing us all over with VHS/betamax wars all over again:
$ony proprietary DSD
MLP DVD-Audio
DTS-96/24
Dolby 96/24
You are kidding right? And you are gonna take it out on us poor bastard paying customers???:howl
We still love ya baby.
Keep up the good work. If the content providers(your bosses) would get their heads out of their butts and give us more standards we would not have this mess.By the way....Where's my Tales From Topographic Oceans in 5.1?
Hang on hang on - the anachronism quote on the other forum I don't think was "naysaying" to needledrops, I believe it was just meant as a funny comment (vinyl/bluray/anachronism/batman!), and it tickled me so I repeated it - sorry :chill. From what I've read on this thread everyone is eagerly awaiting every single part of this release, and that's why everyone involved should be bothered.
