Yes - Close to the Edge 5.1 DVD-A/BluRay in October

[fredblue]

Hang on hang on - the anachronism quote on the other forum I don't think was "naysaying" to needledrops, I believe it was just meant as a funny comment (vinyl/bluray/anachronism/batman!), and it tickled me so I repeated it - sorry :chill. From what I've read on this thread everyone is eagerly awaiting every single part of this release, and that's why everyone involved should be bothered.

of course on a basic level it must seem a bit mad to some people having a "dusty old LP" on a "shiny new blu-ray" but of course we know better! I thought it was funny but crappy too! Some people believe LPs have no sonic benefits.. whether you subscribe to that or not, they do contain unique masterings etc so there's worth in them no matter what. I'd still be playing the life out of my LPs if it weren't for practical reasons @home. Whatever Neil's beef, who knows!? I'm past caring, its all just chit chat and nothing to get yer knickers in a twist over!

 

[fredblue]

I think Neil was lamenting my terming BluRay as an antique.

Sometimes the truth hurts:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...Blu-Ray-discs-offering-times-hi-def-2013.html

Some very clever lads from the UK have scooped this one.(This is not where I heard of the tech, BTW...)

Neil, if you don't like the changing of tech, think how we feel as consumers having to buy all this crap again & again. Lemme show you my YES live in Montreaux, on HD DVD(a dead format and waste of $$$). Please tell Sony & the record companies to stop screwing us all over with VHS/betamax wars all over again:

$ony proprietary DSD
MLP DVD-Audio
DTS-96/24
Dolby 96/24

You are kidding right? And you are gonna take it out on us poor bastard paying customers???:howl

We still love ya baby. Keep up the good work. If the content providers(your bosses) would get their heads out of their butts and give us more standards we would not have this mess.

By the way....Where's my Tales From Topographic Oceans in 5.1?

I've a ton of HD DVDs, they still work alright nobody put a gun to my head to make me go out and get the BD equivalents/duplicates after the fact.. Ok, there won't be any new HD DVD releases anytime soon so its technically dead but then you could say the same about DTS CDs and I still love and enjoy spinning them too. these things are as alive as you want them to be.. dead as dodo's, good as gold! (who's have thought people would still be collecting 8-tracks 40 years later!?).

even so, taking usability/usefulness after physical manufacturing of a formats "ceased to be" out of the equation, BD's as dead as the content providers decide -- and they're still churning the things out so let's see how soon it'll be before the whole worlds gone 4k and 1080p BD'a an "ex parrot", i mean format. (wee while I reckon.. but just my two'pennuth.)

 

[The Pink Floyd]

I was happy to hear those explanations of the needle drop. Before a lot of my favorite LP's were put on CD, I used to record my LP's to my PC and burn them on CD and I noticed that the sound was not that bad. So I tried it with some LP's that I did have on store bought CD's and in my opinion, they seemed to have captured a sound that was not present on the store bought ones. I don't know if it was the mixing to CD or what but the ones recorded from my LP's just sounded better. Like they had more "oompf". And this is why I still have LP's and I am currently still buying them.

 

[0tto]

I think Neil was lamenting my terming BluRay as an antique.

Sometimes the truth hurts:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...Blu-Ray-discs-offering-times-hi-def-2013.html

nothing to be worried about. 4K in needs of new transport - that's ok.
after all it will still backward capable to utilize DVD and no 4K BD.
this new development didn't introduces new audio codings thus i assume LPCM,
DTS HDMA and Dolby True HD will continue to be as containers for audio delivery.
beside of wider selection of HiRez surround titles, what else do we need?

 

[DennisMoore Jr.]

nothing to be worried about. 4K in needs of new transport - that's ok.
after all it will still backward capable to utilize DVD and no 4K BD.
this new development didn't introduces new audio codings thus i assume LPCM,
DTS HDMA and Dolby True HD will continue to be as containers for audio delivery.
beside of wider selection of HiRez surround titles, what else do we need?

You haven't been paying close enough attention. We need:

YES - Tales From Topographic Oceans in 5.1 discrete SW/NW production. :banana: :sun

 

[Perp]

No one can stop technology from bringing us new ways to record and playback audio. The record companies are trying to change as demand changes. Lucky for them, they get to sell their catalogs all over again. This is one way to stay afloat. Unfortunately, many bands do not receive a dime for their investment.

 

[DennisMoore Jr.]

I've a ton of HD DVDs, they still work alright nobody put a gun to my head to make me go out and get the BD equivalents/duplicates after the fact.. Ok, there won't be any new HD DVD releases anytime soon so its technically dead but then you could say the same about DTS CDs and I still love and enjoy spinning them too. these things are as alive as you want them to be.. dead as dodo's, good as gold! (who's have thought people would still be collecting 8-tracks 40 years later!?).

even so, taking usability/usefulness after physical manufacturing of a formats "ceased to be" out of the equation, BD's as dead as the content providers decide -- and they're still churning the things out so let's see how soon it'll be before the whole worlds gone 4k and 1080p BD'a an "ex parrot", i mean format. (wee while I reckon.. but just my two'pennuth.)

Hello again my handsome young lad,

I was gonna post some thoughts to cupboy's comments on Sony & 4K, so here are some points in general, and yes I do think fredblue has stated what we all do, and that is: mostly patiently wait and buy up all the stuff we can get our mits on and end up with a lot of duplication.... right.... now about technology:

I would say 4K is here to stay and will be the next tech milestone, perhaps for a while, why??? Ok, some rough numbers about resolution:

A 4000 x 3000 digital camera would produce similar quality to 35mm film. "4K"(stupid marketing nickname) is simply twice the resolution of 1920 x 1080(current high def), which is, wait for it!....3840 x 2160 lines of resolution. That is amazingly similar to our original 4000 x 3000 which is a rough estimation of what film gives us.
Hollywood has used film for decades quite simply cause it does provide a bounty of resolution, always has. Contrary to popular anti-tech belief, Hollywood & big content do not reinvent standards just to piss us off, fact is digital tech was never as good as film. Now it is and 4K is the sweet spot. Just happens that Hollywood shoots most movies in 4K already!(3840 x 2160). So with 4K media they do not have to downsample and make us suffer through poor litle ole low rez 1920 x 1080!

Therefore, 4K is a natural fit and will be upon us very soon and is such a match we will have it for a while. Ok, you say "What about IMAX and higher rez film?"
Well What about Lord Cornwallis getting his butt kicked by a bunch of Colonial ruffians!, ok, not really pertinent here.... Yes, IMAX has around 7K rez, like I said, Hollywood doesn't stay up late at night trying to find ways to sell us new screen resolutions each month, they simply wanna sell lots of movies and sniff that little white powder...

4K is a natural fit, not too few rez and not too much. DennisMoore Jr. predicts 4K will be here to stay for many years and soon all optical disc releases will be authored in 4K. (Yo Neil: Get your pro tools 4K update ready... ProTools is native 4K already???)

Oh, yeah, is $ony a greedy company trying to creat a monopoly and make tons of cash?, I would guess they are, yet they have no power to stop or start 4K media.
Hollywood has made that decision already. Actually JVC is The Man as far as 4K cameras go...

Ok, can I get some luv, that I have made it this far(into September) waiting for CTTE 5.1 a la Steven & Neil???

 

[0tto]

You haven't been paying close enough attention. We need:

YES - Tales From Topographic Oceans in 5.1 discrete SW/NW production. :banana: :sun

i guess "wider selection of HIRez surround titles" may includes "Tales From Topographic Oceans" as well.
at least i have no objections. most likely i will buy it too, albeit my preferences definately goes direction
toward surround releases from more recent acts. i already have 2 of YES but honestly i don't remember
when last time they have been in player. Rammstein or ASP obviously would got much more time in player
but it's just personal preferences and seems consumer base for such acts not yet financially or socially in
position to influence the cause.

 

[DennisMoore Jr.]

i guess "wider selection of HIRez surround titles" may includes "Tales From Topographic Oceans" as well.
at least i have no objections. most likely i will buy it too, albeit my preferences definately goes direction
toward surround releases from more recent acts. i already have 2 of YES but honestly i don't remember
when last time they have been in player. Rammstein or ASP obviously would got much more time in player
but it's just personal preferences and seems consumer base for such acts not yet financially or socially in
position to influence the cause.

Yes, my friend, you have indeed been quite kind to support such wondrous YES 5.1 releases. I read that YES wasn't your favorite band
but would buy them nonetheless. So I say: Thank you!

While we wait for CTTE in 5.1, I wonder how we can extract more hints at which YES(and which other music) are pending in 5.1 discrete?(I am told that once you get 7 miles offshore you are free from most nation's laws...) Anybody got a nice boat? We could take Steven & Neil on a little boat ride and bring along some hookers and get them to spill the beans on upcoming releases. Great thing is that it would all be legal, once you are in international waters.... We could keep the release info. secret among us here, I see the whole thing as a "win - win".

 

[mch007]

You haven't been paying close enough attention. We need:

YES - Tales From Topographic Oceans in 5.1 discrete SW/NW production. :banana: :sun

That's equivalent to 2 albums

 

[elroy]

That's equivalent to 2 albums

And 4 oceans!

 

[DennisMoore Jr.]

It'd be cool if they could also get out "The Yes Album" and "Going for the One" in 5.1 by next spring (2014) to coincide with the European tour where they will perform those 2 albums, plus "Close to the Edge".
But I think time has taught us that as long as artist, record company, and mixer (SW) want more out, there will be more out.

Ok, this thread needs a bump: (I feel empowered to do so since today is my Birthday! :sun)

Yes, it has been said many times, our savior and driver of 5.1 discrete remixes Steven Wilson, will mix whenever he can probably and of what personally appeals to him. See his list here:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/20-albums-deserve-be-surround-sound (most folks know of this list already...)

It would be a miracle of the highest order if he would do Pink Floyd - Animals........Wow!!!!!!

No more YES after, CTTE on the list, so we have no way to guess based on that. I do guess it will be The Yes Album, simply because the multi's have already been ripped to digital, and are being sold on the web site for musicians to play along wiht the music(I forget the darn name...). Fragile is there as well, but has been already sold on 5.1 AND TYA has their one smash hit, All Good People, so it is the logical(not my preference) most marketable next release.

I join my friend from the coolest country on Planet Earth, Robert van Diggele in hoping for Relayer in 5.1. Not only would it be a dream spread into 5 channels, it has always sounded tinny and thin in 2.0, and I have faith that Steven's mix would soften it up and give it more "oomph"! Same thing with Going For the One. Jon Anderson's vocals we always EQed way too thin and excessively etherial. As long as it wasn't recorded that way direct to tape, I hold out hope that Steven will present Jon's voice with more clarity, like it is on Tales or Fragile or CTTE.

Peeps have speculated we will get 2 YES releases this Spring. That would be a welcome surprise, since the labels seen keen to do one in the Spring and one in the Fall...

The only thing to fear is that over the next few years the label looses interest and they don't do very many YES 5.1 after all. That's why we want them all now!!!!! ANd we will actually pay $$$ for them! :banana:

 

[Robert van Diggele]

Happy Birthday buddy! :brew

To celebrate I will put on Gates of Delirium in anticipation of the first SW Yes mix. Still hoping Relayer will be among the first couple of albums to get the Wilson treatment.

 

[DennisMoore Jr.]

Happy Birthday buddy! :brew

To celebrate I will put on Gates of Delirium in anticipation of the first SW Yes mix. Still hoping Relayer will be among the first couple of albums to get the Wilson treatment.

Thank you my friend! :brew

I would be grateful if Relayer ever came out! We wait so long for this stuff we have to be patient, but it is fun to complain & whine from time to time.

I actually bought Brain Salad Surgery on DVD-Audio in 2002 but waited until 2011 until I got my 5.1 setup going... The GENESIS box sets spoiled us(ALL their works spread over three boxes released within a year I think...) Why can't other bands do the same? Maybe we would have to pay Neil overtime???@:

Back to Relayer: Some recordings simply have way too much great musicianship and instruments to be crammed into 2.0 channels. Relayer is like that. THat would be glorious spread across 5.1 space. :woopie:51banana:

 

[Neil Palfreyman]

Happy Birthday buddy! :brew

To celebrate I will put on Gates of Delirium in anticipation of the first SW Yes mix. Still hoping Relayer will be among the first couple of albums to get the Wilson treatment.

I must stress that I don't have any reliable (or inside) information on this but I did hear a couple of rumours that Relayer was going to be one of the next after Close to the Edge. Hope so!

 

[DennisMoore Jr.]

I must stress that I don't have any reliable (or inside) information on this but I did hear a couple of rumours that Relayer was going to be one of the next after Close to the Edge. Hope so!

I must stress that I do have 100% reliable information that I will go completely ape-sh&t if Relayer comes out via Steven/Neil 5.1. Having bought the album in 1976 it will have been a real long time to hear it in what I do think the band really intended it to sound, regardless of original intent, it will sound other-worldly in discrete 5.1. I would be thrilled to death if we get two more classic YES in the Spring.

@Neil: That is a welcome but very bold prediction. Relayer was hardly a popular or commercial success. If that actually comes out next it would be a tremendous win for music lovers. Now... can you exert your English charm on the "other" Neil?...and try to get the goods on when Tales From Topographic Oceans will be coming out. That record was recorded so well it would be such a natural flow into 5.1.

 

[rtbluray]

If "Going for the One", "The Yes Album", and "Relayer" are the next releases next year, I will be a very happy panda.

 

[DuncanS]

I must stress that I don't have any reliable (or inside) information on this but I did hear a couple of rumours that Relayer was going to be one of the next after Close to the Edge. Hope so!

This is one I would really love in 5.1......along with Tales Of Topographic Oceans

 

[peterzach]

This is only based on the present tour Yes has been doing and continuing into 2014 which they are playing 3 complete albums, CTTE,TYA and GFTO.
So based on that it would make sense that Going For The ONE and The Yes Album would be the next 5.1's to be able to market along with the Tour.
Either way what ever album's come out next they will be amazing to be able to hear in glorious 5.1 and I will have my credit card ready as soon as I see the preorders.

 

[rontoon]

It would be a miracle of the highest order if he would do Pink Floyd - Animals........Wow!!!!!!

As a huge Floyd fan I'd love to see this happen but unfortunately the sad reality is that nobody but James Guthrie will ever touch the Floydian catalog.