You should try some 5.1 classical. I have a couple from Tacet and they are fantastic.
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has anybody heard what the Dec 2013 releases from Universal ?
the facebook page had the notice that they would have new releases listed this week.
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I have a fair bit of classical music in 5.1 - the SACD was much more readily accepted in that world, and lives on there - but the surround mixing tends to be ambient concert hall in the rears, rather than the kind of thrilling, inventive organic sound you'd get from Elliot Scheiner or any of the greats who've mixed for popular music. It's less of an artform, more a pleasant bonus.
That said, the 2L Nordic Sound disc is simply the best-sounding BDA I've ever heard.The 2L guys are recording in the highest res possible, and really know what they're doing. I don't know why we need BDA and SACD in the same package (give one to a friend?), but as hi-res surround system demo discs go, this one's a keeper.
Karlos Kleiber's legendary early 60s recordings of Beethoven's 5th & 7th with the Vienna Philharmonic are so widely thought unsurpassable that Deutsche Gramophon reissue them on every new format that arrives. They kept improving the CD versions, then there was SACD 2.0, followed shortly by SACD 5.1 (I like to think after complaints about the lack of 5.1 on the first SACD).
The only surprise about seeing it on HFPA BDA is that it appears to be the 2.0 version, from what I can tell (release info is so patchy and unreliable with HFPA). As they have created a 5.1 mix already, and there is huge space available on these discs, it's just mystifying. Given that they promised 5.1 "where possible" on HFPA, this is either incompetence, stupidity or plain laziness. I'm not replacing any discs I already have in hi-res surround - Beck, Derek & The Dominoes, etc. - with HFPA versions, and most certainly not if they have reverted to 2.0 for this format. If you do buy the Kleiber, let me know what you think, especially if I'm wrong about it being 2.0.
Unlike Karajan - who was obsessed with recording technology (and would have loved BDA) - Kleiber almost never allowed himself to be recorded, believing the live performance was a unique event shared between himself, the orchestra and audience, so he's an unlikely source for an audiophile recording. The engineers he reluctantly let in that night at the Sofiensaal must have known what they were doing though and, whilst there are better-sounding classical recordings in existence, the music is completely electrifying.
That said, the 2L Nordic Sound disc is simply the best-sounding BDA I've ever heard.The 2L guys are recording in the highest res possible, and really know what they're doing. I don't know why we need BDA and SACD in the same package (give one to a friend?), but as hi-res surround system demo discs go, this one's a keeper.
Karlos Kleiber's legendary early 60s recordings of Beethoven's 5th & 7th with the Vienna Philharmonic are so widely thought unsurpassable that Deutsche Gramophon reissue them on every new format that arrives. They kept improving the CD versions, then there was SACD 2.0, followed shortly by SACD 5.1 (I like to think after complaints about the lack of 5.1 on the first SACD).
The only surprise about seeing it on HFPA BDA is that it appears to be the 2.0 version, from what I can tell (release info is so patchy and unreliable with HFPA). As they have created a 5.1 mix already, and there is huge space available on these discs, it's just mystifying. Given that they promised 5.1 "where possible" on HFPA, this is either incompetence, stupidity or plain laziness. I'm not replacing any discs I already have in hi-res surround - Beck, Derek & The Dominoes, etc. - with HFPA versions, and most certainly not if they have reverted to 2.0 for this format. If you do buy the Kleiber, let me know what you think, especially if I'm wrong about it being 2.0.
Unlike Karajan - who was obsessed with recording technology (and would have loved BDA) - Kleiber almost never allowed himself to be recorded, believing the live performance was a unique event shared between himself, the orchestra and audience, so he's an unlikely source for an audiophile recording. The engineers he reluctantly let in that night at the Sofiensaal must have known what they were doing though and, whilst there are better-sounding classical recordings in existence, the music is completely electrifying.
Owen Smith
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
Ah well, DXD is not the same as DSD. It's what is often used to record and mix for SACDs before conversion to DSD, given that DSD is a nightmare to mix with (you can't have part of 1 bit).
Found a few Classical SACD/DVDA/DTS with truly discrete surround mixes over the years..
pretty much all the TACET's,
a few Harmonia Mundi SACDs,
even a Linn or two (most Linn MCh SACDs aren't discrete but there's a couple of Classical I've found funnily enough rather than more obvious Jazz/poppier material, etc),
a fair few Telarc's (both SACD/DVDA and DPL-encoded CDs),
Naxos' Four Seasons SACD/DVDA double-billed with Concerto for Double Orchestra (the other Naxos DVDAs I bought I gave away, this has been the one keeper, for me, the Dbl Orch stuff is incredible in surround),
Sony Single Layer SACDS (E.Power Biggs/Bach/Toccata & Fugues, Boulez/Ravel/Mother Goose/La Valse, Bernstein/Tchaikovsky/Nutcracker),
Universal (Pavarotti "Ti Adoro", Morricone/Pontes "Focus", Lakatos - As Time Goes By),
Numerous DTS Ent's DVDA & DTS CD's (incl. old Angel/EMI Quads which I've recently discovered, are fab).
the many RQR Pentatone's (while mostly wonderful performances & fidelity) are from the old Philips quads which are mostly hall/ambience surround mixes, so I can't recommend any of them if you're looking for discrete Classical.
pretty much all the TACET's,
a few Harmonia Mundi SACDs,
even a Linn or two (most Linn MCh SACDs aren't discrete but there's a couple of Classical I've found funnily enough rather than more obvious Jazz/poppier material, etc),
a fair few Telarc's (both SACD/DVDA and DPL-encoded CDs),
Naxos' Four Seasons SACD/DVDA double-billed with Concerto for Double Orchestra (the other Naxos DVDAs I bought I gave away, this has been the one keeper, for me, the Dbl Orch stuff is incredible in surround),
Sony Single Layer SACDS (E.Power Biggs/Bach/Toccata & Fugues, Boulez/Ravel/Mother Goose/La Valse, Bernstein/Tchaikovsky/Nutcracker),
Universal (Pavarotti "Ti Adoro", Morricone/Pontes "Focus", Lakatos - As Time Goes By),
Numerous DTS Ent's DVDA & DTS CD's (incl. old Angel/EMI Quads which I've recently discovered, are fab).
the many RQR Pentatone's (while mostly wonderful performances & fidelity) are from the old Philips quads which are mostly hall/ambience surround mixes, so I can't recommend any of them if you're looking for discrete Classical.
Owen Smith
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
So if the Linn's aren't discrete what are they? Stereo upmix?
not upmixes, no, just studio ambience captured during the recording, with little to no discrete info in the rear channels. they often sound a bit "digital" to me too, so the 1/2 dozen or so Linn SACDs I have hung onto don't get much of a look-in.
let me just double check what the discrete Linns are & post back.
anyway we're going off topic! 
back to the Blu-ray's!
back to the Blu-ray's!
I like classical recordings in 5.1.
Even when there is only ambience that happens in the rears.
Like Tacet comments: It is an unusal way to have discrete 5.1 classical recordings.
But...why not!
Even when there is only ambience that happens in the rears.
Like Tacet comments: It is an unusal way to have discrete 5.1 classical recordings.
But...why not!
Owen Smith
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
So they are discrete 5.1 then, in that the 5 channels were recorded seperately. That's all that "discrete" means to me.
What you're talking about is whether the rears mix is particularly active, with the alternative being a passive/ambient recording.
Thanks for that. I will try when Chicago is done
enjoy!
it needs a good cranking.. but oh boy is it one of the most wonderful recent (re)masterings I can remember hearing.. and added bonus it pans out surprisingly well thru PLII Music.
apologies for any confusion. studio miked ambience is not discrete surround in my book, it's just an ambient surround presentation with some attempt at representing the acoustics of the recording venue.
discrete to me means an active mix with unique elements from within the multi tracks mixed so that these parts are going on in the rear channels with some steering/placement.. but everyone can call it all whatever they like, I'm probably wrong technically but I don't care, I'm in my happy place with Lionel and he's got stuff going on in his synthesized rears and not a pair of synthetic flares in sight..who knew it'd be his 80's solo stuff and not the Commodores that'd pan out so nicely in fake Quad/PLII!
enjoy!
Yes. Exactly what I think. Play it louuuud!
You're right. It's wonderful. No harshness, not dull.
A perfect production
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Yes. Exactly what I think. Play it louuuud!
You're right. It's wonderful. No harshness, not dull.
A perfect production
YEAY! it is exceptional, isn't it!
certainly the unexpected highlight for me of these HFPA's (15 so far, I could live without at least half of them) if they were all like this, then I truly believe even if all only stereo we'd have a serious Hi-Rez contender on our hands, it's really a stunning-sounding disc. unfortunately too few of them are up to the standard of the Lionel Richie disc.
I never thought I'd give two hoots about a Lionel Richie album.. just shows ta goes innit!
i think that classical performances with involvement of huge orchestra would be quite weird in discrete mix as we do expect it to be for pop music
or smaller classical venues like quintets or such. my guess that recording engineers placed mics particular way, to capture atmosphere, which is
typical and familiar for the listeners at live performances.
as for classical descrete mix i would highly recomend Renee Fleming self titled DVD-A.
amazing recording, 5.1 mix and mastering. my "how to record classical vox and mix it into surround" disc.
the printed on back info, stated 44.1/16 for 5.1 and 48/20 for 2.0 but in fact both streams 48/24.
if UMG will decide to re-issue it on BD-A with 5.1 i definately would re-purchase it again.
is the DVD-A of either of these?
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