Genesis 1970-1975 Nov.10/11 2008

[sKiZo]

So what's this then?

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/80024

Mein gott in himmel ... I blame it all on Obama!

*They do list the PAL version in stock. My Denon will play them, but cripes ... $230? Yeouch ...

 

[dadmav]

Went to a lot of Grand Valley shows back in the good ole 70's , wish I was into Genesis back then am sure it must have been great...

 

[timbre4]

So what's this then?

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/80024

Mein gott in himmel ... I blame it all on Obama!

*They do list the PAL version in stock. My Denon will play them, but cripes ... $230? Yeouch ...

It's NOT a box. That's simply a bundle of the albums without the 1970-1975 Extras disc. Look for the word "box", you won't find it...

FYI - eBay seller(s) have sold the PAL version of the BOX for $130-$135 several times over the last two weeks.

 

[sKiZo]

Duh? Yoh didn just DUH me!!

$100 for the box ... must be one helluva box ...

Oh, yeah ... and the missing disk. Looks like a bunch of BBC interviews and a VH1 thing I already got ... doesn't seem like they could do a lot with the soundtrack on that unless they had access to the original tapes from the concert ... oh, and a bunch of remixes on Michael Jackson stuff ... do they do anything from Thriller?

I did find this listing:
http://www.spincds.com/product.asp?id=9017512

UK ... fired off an email to see if it was PAL or NTSC, available for North America region, really SACD, and really really available as listed ...

 

[timbre4]

This has nothing to do with "Michael Thriller" Jackson, you can research it's true origins.

$126.48 SACD/DVD PAL: http://cgi.ebay.com/GENESIS-1970-1975-CD-SACD-DVD-BOX-SET-NEW-SEALED-MINT_W0QQitemZ260351328506QQihZ016QQcategoryZ307QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Re: Duh - those are triggered by needless off-topic political references and I corrected myself. If joking, good to indicate so.

 

[sKiZo]

At the risk of going off topic ... <G>

The DOME was one of my all time favorite venues. Some of the best acoustics I ever had the privilege of running across and really ... there wasn't a bad seat in the house. Even up in the rafters you got all the sound. If you remember right, it wasn't long after the Lamb concert it collapsed. Talk about bringing the house down, eh. They blamed it on water damage ... something about the sealant failing and all that foam soaking up water.

I think Back in N.Y.C softened it up some.

Ah well ... no more dome, but they got a decent football team.

 

[tomwrock]

HMV Japan cancelled my December 23, 2008 order for the Genesis 1970-1975 NTSC version on Monday, saying it was discontinued by the manufacturer. I give up! I ordered the PAL version Monday for about $108 US from AmazonUK. It should ship today. Is Warner behind the discontinuance of the NTSC version of the SACD set? If so, is there any way we could start a class-action suit against them for restraint of trade?
Warner is really starting to piss me off! Because Sound Matters my ass!

Update: AmazonUK just sent me an e-mail to let me know that it shipped today. Finally! Rhino/Warner can keep their CD only version (use your imagination as to where).

(Sorry for my rant.)

 

[timbre4]

We swapped msgs at BSM, I know and share the chagrin.

Personally, Warner and especially Atlantic for that matter, are such schlockmeisters today. I don't think they have the collective wits about them to sabatoge anything and are barely cognizant that Genesis is on the label. Just don't think they have enough on the ball to be actively screwing things up.

I believe it's an all too familiar failure to deliver anymore and nothing being done to correct a situation that angers consumers. They just don't care anymore. Find another way to re-package the same CDs and oh yes, sell some vinyl! They must laugh and soil themselves at almost throwing all that stuff out only to be making 100% profit on these previously paid for many times assets.

And now back to our movie.... Lost At Retail.....

 

[rusinurbe]

We swapped msgs at BSM, I know and share the chagrin.

Personally, Warner and especially Atlantic for that matter, are such schlockmeisters today. I don't think they have the collective wits about them to sabatoge anything and are barely cognizant that Genesis is on the label. Just don't think they have enough on the ball to be actively screwing things up.

I believe it's an all too familiar failure to deliver anymore and nothing being done to correct a situation that angers consumers. They just don't care anymore. Find another way to re-package the same CDs and oh yes, sell some vinyl! They must laugh and soil themselves at almost throwing all that stuff out only to be making 100% profit on these previously paid for many times assets.

And now back to our movie.... Lost At Retail.....

Personally I would blame Sony for not allwing Warner to release these as DVDA !

 

[decrink]

HMV Japan cancelled my December 23, 2008 order for the Genesis 1970-1975 NTSC version on Monday...

I got the same notice. They did ship the two discs that I didn't REALLY want but ordered to get the 25% discount. Here's the email:
We have just been informed by the manufacturer that the title in your order is now deleted and can no longer be supplied. This item is now
cancelled from your order...

OK, I could use the forum's help. Is there any place to get the SACD NTSC version? Or am I SOL? If I ordered the PAL version, the SACD would play in my Denon 5900 I assume? The SACD is universal right? Crap. Are the videos worthwhile. I know about the Lamb slide show but will I really be missing a lot by going with the PAL version that won't play here in the states.

As with many of you, I find this just an amazingly poor roll out of this product. Should I settle for the DVD-A?

 

[Bill Sherbon]

Hi decrink,
I don't have this myself yet, and don't have answers for all your questions, but here's a few things that may help....

SACDs aren't "regional" like DVDs, so SACD from anywhere in the world will play in any SACD player. I don't know the specs of your player, but many DVD players can play either PAL or NTSC. The only question with a DVD player that can play either PAL or NTSC formats is whether the DVD itself is "region locked" or not - as far as I know the DVDs in this set are not region locked. Oh, also the DVDs in this set are DVD, not DVD-A. Good luck with the hunt!

 

[Bob Romano]

Hi decrink,
I don't have this myself yet, and don't have answers for all your questions, but here's a few things that may help....

SACDs aren't "regional" like DVDs, so SACD from anywhere in the world will play in any SACD player. I don't know the specs of your player, but many DVD players can play either PAL or NTSC. The only question with a player that can play either is whether the DVD is "region locked" or not - as far as I know the DVDs in this set are not region locked. Oh, also the DVDs in this set are DVD, not DVD-A. Good luck with the hunt!

You are correct. They are not region locked. I have the PAL version because that's all I could get and they play perfectly on my Pioneer players.

 

[decrink]

I ordered the PAL version Monday for about $108 US from AmazonUK. It should ship today. )

OK, I just tried to order the PAL version from AmazonUK and at checkout it tells me it can't send to my address (Oregon, USA). Are you in US?

Why is this so hard?

 

[Old Quad Guy]

OK, I just tried to order the PAL version from AmazonUK and at checkout it tells me it can't send to my address (Oregon, USA). Are you in US?

Why is this so hard?

Try inputting your address info again a few slightly different ways. For instance: Oregon USA instead of Oregon, USA.

It should work, I order from Amazon UK all the time with no problems in California.

Also, here is Yahoo's Pound / Dollar currency converter so you'll know how much your final cost is:

http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-c...p&to=usd&submit=convert#from=GBP;to=USD;amt=1

 

[peterzach]

Saw this posted on Genesis website today by another person looking for Sacd/Ntsc set and I just sent a email to Richard asking about the Boxset.
Here was the post:

Well, folks, I've been making some headway...

I spoke with Gwen Lenton at EMI UK distribution. She informed me that the head office in London explained to her that the 1970-1975 SACD/NTSC boxes will not be re-pressed "because it is not commercially viable to do so."

I asked Gwen if this was a definitive "yes, they might be re-pressed later in the year" or "no, they will never again be manufactured." She did not know.

Instead, Gwen gave me another EMI contact person to ask. Someone who might have a definitive answer. His name is Richard O'Brien. His email is [email protected] and phone is +44 20-7795-7000.

I suggest that anyone interested in a definitive answer should send him an email and post any pertinent information to this thread.

We've waited long enough.

 

[tomwrock]

OK, I just tried to order the PAL version from AmazonUK and at checkout it tells me it can't send to my address (Oregon, USA). Are you in US?

Why is this so hard?

Yes, I am in the US. I checked my order and it said it was "Sold by: Amazon EU S.a.r.L.". Make sure you are not ordering from another seller. I just checked and AmazonUK has it in stock:

Genesis - 1970-1975: 1970-1975/+6dvd [SACD] [Box set] [Enhanced] [Hybrid SACD]
~ Genesis (Artist)



Price: £81.98 & this item Delivered FREE in the UK with Super Saver Delivery. See details and conditions

In stock.
Dispatched from and sold by Amazon.co.uk. Gift-wrap available.

The 81.98 GBP price should drop to about 71.29 when the VAT is removed.

Try it now. Good luck!

 

[elevation1975]

peterzach - I'm the one who has been posting on the Genesis forums and who you quoted above (that I also included below). Thanks for copying it over here.

I've been lurking on this thread for a few days now and I figured I'd join in on the discussion, especially since I've been in direct (telephone and email) contact with the folks at EMI who [sort of] have answers about the future of the 1970-1975 SACD/NTSC set.

The latest update is indeed what peterzach quoted. Nothing further really to report. I imagine we'll all have a definitive answer some time in the next few days and we can put this topic to rest.

I also assume other people have sent emails to Richard O'Brien and Gwen Lenton (her email is [email protected]), which I think would motivate them even more to respond to us. Ms. Lenton is the one who is more willing to email you back, while Richard is a little more difficult to get a hold of.

I suggest we keep bugging them until we get a straight answer. The whole "not commercially viable to do so" excuse isn't good enough for me and I prefer to hear something a little more concrete.

Saw this posted on Genesis website today by another person looking for Sacd/Ntsc set and I just sent a email to Richard asking about the Boxset.
Here was the post:

Well, folks, I've been making some headway...

I spoke with Gwen Lenton at EMI UK distribution. She informed me that the head office in London explained to her that the 1970-1975 SACD/NTSC boxes will not be re-pressed "because it is not commercially viable to do so."

I asked Gwen if this was a definitive "yes, they might be re-pressed later in the year" or "no, they will never again be manufactured." She did not know.

Instead, Gwen gave me another EMI contact person to ask. Someone who might have a definitive answer. His name is Richard O'Brien. His email is [email protected] and phone is +44 20-7795-7000.

I suggest that anyone interested in a definitive answer should send him an email and post any pertinent information to this thread.

We've waited long enough.

 

[SoonerCaniac]

I suggest we keep bugging them until we get a straight answer. The whole "not commercially viable to do so" excuse isn't good enough for me and I prefer to hear something a little more concrete.

I sat too long on the final box set as well (HMV canceled my order on Thursday), though I cannot fathom how waiting a couple of months after a release is "too long". I wasn't in a huge hurry because of a slew of other acquisitions, but it looks like I should have been! While I realize that the SACD/PAL DVD set is still available, I'm ticked off that I waited and now will not have a consistent SACD/NTSC DVD collection. A very minor issue in the grand game of life, but at the moment it just irritates me to no end.

Frankly, the entire Genesis re-release has been a botched operation from the beginning, fraught with release date rumors, delays, production errors, substandard mixing and mastering, format wars, unadvertised limited availability, and horrible product descriptions and inconsistency across various retailers, among other issues. It's a wonder these sets saw the light of day at all, and while I'm grateful to have the opportunity to have these sets at least in order to enjoy (when possible) a new interpretation of classic music, in no way should the "better something than nothing" attitude trump another lousy performance by the record labels. It's a wonder to me that they are still in business at all, regardless of how few threads they hang by.

Beyond the ranting, my original motivation here was to thank elevation1975 for pursuing the NTSC debacle and for providing the contact information. I have also contacted Ms. Lenton to politely and professionally let her know of my desire to see the SACD/NTSC set see another production, regardless of the futility! I'm not sure I agree that "not commercially viable to do so" is a bad excuse, however; in fact I am surprised they readily admitted what is, IMO, a real reason behind the lack of additional production. Hasn't that "excuse" been a primary reason we've not see more 5.1 music in the first place? I would wager the SACD/NTSC DVD box set is sitting in some retail stores across South America and Japan, just largely out of reach of US consumers.

I just ordered the SACD/PAL set from Amazon.co.uk for ~$108 as others have. This is a very reasonable price, IMO, I just wish I had NTSC DVDs even if just for consistency. I suppose I could see if a steal of a deal ever comes around for the Rhino set and grab the DVD's that way, but going that route should have never been necessary.

Thanks again,
Josh

 

[elevation1975]

I'm not sure I agree that "not commercially viable to do so" is a bad excuse, however; in fact I am surprised they readily admitted what is, IMO, a real reason behind the lack of additional production.

That's true. When Gwen told me that I responded, "well, does that mean they're never going to be printed again or is there a chance that they will?" She couldn't answer that. I just really want to find someone that can.

I would wager the SACD/NTSC DVD box set is sitting in some retail stores across South America and Japan, just largely out of reach of US consumers.

If that's the case, you would think they'd want to post them for sale online and make serious dough. I guess it's further proof that so few were made - you cannot find them anywhere. This could also point to the extremely low demand of SACDs and extremely low interest by the record companies to produce them.

I can't wait to see what happens with the live box set they're currently working on. I bet there's a good chance those won't even be formatted for SACD.

 

[decrink]

I also assume other people have sent emails to Richard O'Brien and Gwen Lenton

Even though I have ordered the PAL from amazonUK I sent this off to Gwen. How many of these box sets do you think they originally printed? They must have sold out of their first run pretty quickly.

Gwen:
I’ve been trying and willing to purchase the Genesis 1970-1975 SACD/NTSC Box set. Do you have any idea if there are any available anywhere for purchase. I’ve seen a price of $229 US which I am more than willing to pay. Please let me know what the status is on this set.
Bill