RUSH Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary edition (with Richard Chycki Dolby Atmos mix)

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YES! We can. :) For the record, I am doing a "little" hand wringing about my pre-order. It's my nature....
Like anything else in life you pay your money and you take your chances.
How bad can it be, really?
The only thing keeping me from buying it is the fact that about a third of that price is directly attributable to the vinyl, which is useless to me. Otherwise I would have bought every Rush deluxe set regardless of the mix.
 
I'm still confused why anyone thinks the current atmos mix on apple music right now is not the same Chycki mix that will be on the box set?

If they paid Chycki to do the atmos mix for the box set why on earth would they pay someone else to do an different atmos mix for apple music?

The only way the apple mix could be different is if it's an upmix from Chycki's 5.1 mix but they would still have to pay someone to do that, and, again, why pay a different mixer to do that at basically the same time you're paying Chycki to do a true atmos mix from the multi-track masters?
 
Where do you see people thinking that Pretty obvious to me that the currently released Atmos mix on Apple Music is the same one that will be on the horrifically overpriced physical release.

I'm still confused why anyone thinks the current atmos mix on apple music right now is not the same Chycki mix that will be on the box set?

If they paid Chycki to do the atmos mix for the box set why on earth would they pay someone else to do an different atmos mix for apple music?

The only way the apple mix could be different is if it's an upmix from Chycki's 5.1 mix but they would still have to pay someone to do that, and, again, why pay a different mixer to do that at basically the same time you're paying Chycki to do a true atmos mix from the multi-track masters?
 
Where do you see people thinking that Pretty obvious to me that the currently released Atmos mix on Apple Music is the same one that will be on the horrifically overpriced physical release.

Mike is having a hard time believing that this is the case. He's in denial and hoping and praying that the mixer is anyone but chycki.

So, we have Chycki's 1st MP remixes from the deluxe set (DVD-A or BD-A).
From the sounds of it, Limelight from that session was likely upmixed from 5.1 to "Atmos" and that has been streaming a while.
TS Atmos, also streaming a while, sounds like a new animal, in a bad way. Shitty trash can lid snare sound.
The other 5 "Atmos" tracks, now streaming on Apple Music, just sound like someone upmixed the LP or maybe Chycki's 5.1 mix again. Different mastering though. WAY quieter than TS or Limelight.
So, again, if the currently streaming content is being used for the forthcoming BD, it's gonna be completely fucked.
There is precedent for reremixes and even rereremixes. It happens.
We shall see...
It's the mixes currently streaming that have me concerned. New doesn't necessarily mean improved!
Yet, to my ears, Chycki did great on The Hip's Road Apples Atmos release. He can do it. Question is, did he?!?!?!

That's the beauty of the apple music atmos mix, it is not Sight Unseen, all you have to do is listen to it to figure out what the box set will sound like.
 
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I think some folks have to really think about taking themselves down a notch, or two on this thread, and really what are we debating over?? Returning discs to Amazon or shitty mixes, or what not. At this point...
  1. The Atmos mix is done, it's burned, manufactured and included to the SDE for $300 and none of us can do anything about that. Buy at your own risk or buy because you LOVE Rush and want to own a pretty cool box set.
  2. It's a 99.9% probability that the Atmos mix on Apple Music is also what the SDE mix is as well.
ONWARDS!! :SB
 
Perhaps the one thing we haven’t really addressed or speculated on…maybe it’s not Chycki…maybe the two remaining members of Rush have presently and had specifically in the past asked Chycki to mix their stuff more conservatively. Perhaps they were not pleased with SW’s work so they didn’t see the need to contract with him again. I’m just thinking about this because Chycki has some excellent surround mixes, even the one I’m listening to now, self titled Dream Theater album.

If that is the case, it would be Alex as he is the one who keeps using Chycki going back 2 decades now.

For those not in the know, the duties in the band were divided as such:

Geddy: Videos for background screens in concert and any promo videos. He would often get assistance here from his brother (Alan, I think).

Neil: Album, DVD and CD packaging and artwork along with assistance from Hugh Syme.

Alex: Audio mixing and such.
 
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Interestingly (to me), only TS and Limelight in this list have an *. That can mean they're the only tracks released, so far.
Scrolling down to the MP 40th album, only Vital Signs live has the asterisk and it's the only live cut that can be played.
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Interestingly (to me), only TS and Limelight in this list have an *. That can mean they're the only tracks released, so far.
Scrolling down to the MP 40th album, only Vital Signs live has the asterisk and it's the only live cut that can be played.
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The asterisk...only denotes the most popular tracks played...
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@EricKalet can you give us a review of the streaming Atmos tracks, if you've had a good listen?
My listening is from a 7.1 perspective, do not have overheads, yet.

I can say for certain that Tom Sawyer and Limelight play louder, much louder, +8 to +10db in my estimation, than the other 5 tracks! We do know these two tracks were part of the initial rollout of Atmos on Apple Music and I'm not sure what technical issues are causing the volume differences. ~OR~ since TS and LL were developed into Atmos mixes well before the rest, perhaps, and this would seem a major error, the engineer simply mismatched the volume levels when they completed the other 5 tracks. A 3rd guess would be that TS and LL were mixed and mastered by someone other than Rich Chycki for the initial Apple rollout. But even still, to roll all tracks together without volume level consistency seems kinda sloppy. Hopefully that isn't the case with the Blu Ray.

The mixes themselves on this album aren't overly aggressive, but certainly aren't what I would classify as "big stereo." There is heavy use of ambiance and reflection in the surrounds from the front instruments on most songs. Bass is actually decent and does connect with me as far as punchiness, and could be a bit more chest thumping, but it works. I think it might be a tad boomy or maybe there was too much compression used while mixing. Just seems to be some over compensation of some sort as to not clip for some of the drum kit on some songs. I'll skip TS and LL because they have been around to listen to for several months.

I really enjoyed YYZ, the percussion encircles you right at the start, keyboards and guitar are prominent in the surrounds, bass guitar switches between front/back and drum kit is mainly centered but it does feel like they tried to put the listener in Peart's seat for this one. The glass breaking sound effect is awesome, and prominent in the surrounds.

Red Barchetta - the keyboards are definitely in the surrounds, Geddy's vocals front and center. Lifeson's guitar varies from front to back and percussion, especially the cymbals are mainly front. Most of the sound effects like the car tires screeching are located in surrounds.

The Camera Eye - sound effects in the surrounds, percussion starts in surrounds and keyboards are in surrounds. Peart's drums hit here with the deep bass, the bass drum is close to perfect but I feel like the tom-tom drums are compressed. Cymbals sound clean and it seems they are most prominent in the surrounds.

Witch Hunt - the bells/tubes start off bouncing all around the room, and then the keyboards whirl around while the guitars fade in. Guitars start heavy in rear and move to the front. Another song, seemingly where they wanted us to be in Peart's seat or just in front of him. Peart's drums seem subdued again on this song.

Vital Signs - starts off with keyboards bouncing back left and right in surrounds as they fade in. Bass guitar is crisp, and bass drum does hit hard. Lifeson's guitar bounces between front and back, for a cool effect.

Bottom line for me, $300 for the SDE is just over the top. I don't need drumsticks, posters, and most importantly for me, I certainly don't need the vinyl, as I do not have a record player and have no players to ever have one. If they had this set without the vinyl and priced around $125-150, I would not have hesitated to purchase. $300 just prices me out to just get the Blu ray and the YYZ concert, which is really all I want from this release. With it all being made available on Apple Music, I don't even have to buy the CD digipak, but probably will anyway to have the physical copy.
 
My listening is from a 7.1 perspective, do not have overheads, yet.

I can say for certain that Tom Sawyer and Limelight play louder, much louder, +8 to +10db in my estimation, than the other 5 tracks! We do know these two tracks were part of the initial rollout of Atmos on Apple Music and I'm not sure what technical issues are causing the volume differences. ~OR~ since TS and LL were developed into Atmos mixes well before the rest, perhaps, and this would seem a major error, the engineer simply mismatched the volume levels when they completed the other 5 tracks. A 3rd guess would be that TS and LL were mixed and mastered by someone other than Rich Chycki for the initial Apple rollout. But even still, to roll all tracks together without volume level consistency seems kinda sloppy. Hopefully that isn't the case with the Blu Ray.

The mixes themselves on this album aren't overly aggressive, but certainly aren't what I would classify as "big stereo." There is heavy use of ambiance and reflection in the surrounds from the front instruments on most songs. Bass is actually decent and does connect with me as far as punchiness, and could be a bit more chest thumping, but it works. I think it might be a tad boomy or maybe there was too much compression used while mixing. Just seems to be some over compensation of some sort as to not clip for some of the drum kit on some songs. I'll skip TS and LL because they have been around to listen to for several months.

I really enjoyed YYZ, the percussion encircles you right at the start, keyboards and guitar are prominent in the surrounds, bass guitar switches between front/back and drum kit is mainly centered but it does feel like they tried to put the listener in Peart's seat for this one. The glass breaking sound effect is awesome, and prominent in the surrounds.

Red Barchetta - the keyboards are definitely in the surrounds, Geddy's vocals front and center. Lifeson's guitar varies from front to back and percussion, especially the cymbals are mainly front. Most of the sound effects like the car tires screeching are located in surrounds.

The Camera Eye - sound effects in the surrounds, percussion starts in surrounds and keyboards are in surrounds. Peart's drums hit here with the deep bass, the bass drum is close to perfect but I feel like the tom-tom drums are compressed. Cymbals sound clean and it seems they are most prominent in the surrounds.

Witch Hunt - the bells/tubes start off bouncing all around the room, and then the keyboards whirl around while the guitars fade in. Guitars start heavy in rear and move to the front. Another song, seemingly where they wanted us to be in Peart's seat or just in front of him. Peart's drums seem subdued again on this song.

Vital Signs - starts off with keyboards bouncing back left and right in surrounds as they fade in. Bass guitar is crisp, and bass drum does hit hard. Lifeson's guitar bounces between front and back, for a cool effect.

Bottom line for me, $300 for the SDE is just over the top. I don't need drumsticks, posters, and most importantly for me, I certainly don't need the vinyl, as I do not have a record player and have no players to ever have one. If they had this set without the vinyl and priced around $125-150, I would not have hesitated to purchase. $300 just prices me out to just get the Blu ray and the YYZ concert, which is really all I want from this release. With it all being made available on Apple Music, I don't even have to buy the CD digipak, but probably will anyway to have the physical copy.
Thank you for all of this detail!
If you recall, are any of these new mixes potentially better than the earlier deluxe 5.1 mix?
 
2-3 weeks?
I thought it may have been up for a while.

It’s going to be interesting once someone gets a hold of the box set to see if there is that same volume difference on Tom Sawyer and Limelight.

I listened to the first four songs a few days ago off Apple Music the cymbals on Red Barchetta sounded like what I heard on the 5.1 mix, in a bad way. In fact, I thought it was the 5.1 mix.
 
Bundling unwanted vinyl in with a multichannel release is usually a deal breaker for me as I've retired my turntable and have no desire to go back to it. It's depressing that some bands and record companies are continuing this practice since for most potential buyers (at least those primarily interested in surround sound) it only makes the box sets more expensive and difficult to justify purchasing. Unfortunately, the only way to discourage this is to not buy these kinds of bundles no matter how good the surround mix may be. Fortunately, in this case it seems like passing on it will be an easier decision.
 
Bundling unwanted vinyl in with a multichannel release is usually a deal breaker for me as I've retired my turntable and have no desire to go back to it. It's depressing that some bands and record companies are continuing this practice since for most potential buyers (at least those primarily interested in surround sound) it only makes the box sets more expensive and difficult to justify purchasing. Unfortunately, the only way to discourage this is to not buy these kinds of bundles no matter how good the surround mix may be. Fortunately, in this case it seems like passing on it will be an easier decision.
And vinyl buyers who only want the LPs feel the same way about having to purchase the optical disks, though often the vinyl is available separately.
 
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