Yes, I think people who are critical of a 5.1 discrete mix don't realize that since this is done on 30 year old music it is not possible to have the band or the original engineer there and the mix will frankly be somebody elese's intrepretation, which by definition make it non-objective and you can always find something to fault since it will vary from the original 2.0 mix. Do I think Steven Wilson's 5.1 mixes are absolute & definitive? No. But he is a genius and a godsend to the 5.1 community and should be given a fookin medal, I say!
I think the problem with Fragile may be that the music was surprisingly simple for a prog band and when it spreads out over 5 channels it gets a little thin, and that may be a bit alarming to some.
I love your avatar by the way, though my favorite music is progressive rock, my all time favorite 5.1 discrete mix just may be Elton's Captain Fantastic. That mix is pure perfection and I feel so lucky for the experience each time I play it in 5.1. All of the Elton John mixes are great, IMHO..
Now if they would just properly do RUSH in 5.1 we will be all set!
Thank you Dennis!
You nailed it with how I feel about those old Warner/Rhino DVD-A mixes! this stuff wasn't made yesterday and it is these guys' mix and their take on the material, its not gonna do it for everyone (and I respect that) but they are excellent mixes in the scheme of things, so superior to so many I've heard.
SW is an extremely talented guy and yes a real hero for us QQ-ers, Elliot Scheiner certainly was a great influence on his 5.1 learning curve (and it shows!).. I simply cannot wait for SW's Yes & JT mixes.. that said, there are a good few others doing/who did 5.1 who are great too, not least ES.. he doesn't get it right everytime but there are far more ES hits than misses, I so wish there were more of his mixes out there.
Captain Fantastic's still my favourite surround SACD (300-odd of them later that's not to be sniffed at!) it really is a masterclass in how to take an already great album and elevate it to the very pinnacle of what can be done with classic rock & pop when mixed into 5.1.
I've given up on the Rush 5.1's, they just don't do it for me.. it's sad when there's such scope for amazing surround mixes of their classic material to have got such dross.