great interview! thank you for doing it and sharing it and its encouraging he ends on a high note saying he is working on more Atmos and the future looks rosy for Immersive!
RUSH Moving Pictures 40th Anniversary edition (with Richard Chycki Dolby Atmos mix)
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great interview! thank you for doing it and sharing it and its encouraging he ends on a high note saying he is working on more Atmos and the future looks rosy for Immersive!
I was determined not to get this set. UGH!
Thanks for this tip btw! Mine only came down to $252. Unfortunately, it's backordered, so who knows when I'll get it...
fthesoundguy
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Looks like i'll have to pony up the $300 for this sucker based on the positive reviews so far. I still can't believe that Chycki put out a good mix.
That's the exact thought that went through my head.
Thanks for this tip btw! Mine only came down to $252. Unfortunately, it's backordered, so who knows when I'll get it...
your price was higher because you folks in Illinois have some freaking gagillion percent high Sales Tax. Don't worry on the back order - you will see it soon.
( I hope )
Its a helluva work of art. very impressive box. I'll be listening to this tomorrow night !! Cant wait
In the words of Charlton Heston... "Damn you! Damn you all to hell."
The peer pressure and positive reviews were just too great to ignore. Plus I really do love Rush.
Ordered from Pop Market for under $250.
Thanks for the tip cbmmm3!!!!
I just had a run-through of the whole MP album streaming on Apple Music in Atmos. First, the mix is much better than I expected it to be, given Richard Chycki's track record with previous Rush mixes. So kudos to him for upping his game by quite a bit. Second, having listened a few times previously to the "too loud" version of Tom Sawyer that was out there since last year, it seems to me that the version that is out there now has been tweaked a bit - far less of the excessive reverb in Geddy's vocals and more thump to the drums. Maybe it's just my imagination but I'm curious if anyone else has the same impression. But in any case, no question it is an improvement over the 2011 5.1 mix.
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Yes, same impression. Plus no trash can lid sound to the snare. A vast improvement over the previous streaming Atmos mix.
I have listened to the 5.1 DTS HD Master. What impresses me is the cleanliness. What I heard is so 'pure', so clean. So instrumentally Correct. There is no gimmickry in the 5.1. Its full forward alignment to the original album.. Its one that you turn up loudly and smile. Smile like its 1981.
I’m still not going to bite on the box, but it genuinely makes me happy that everyone is enjoying this mix so much. Well done, Mr. Chycki
jimfisheye
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The concert is available on HDTracks as a double with a copy of the MP stereo master. (I didn't verify that the stereo mix is the unmolested master release. Should be, but...)
The concert is a great mix! And it has not been damaged in mastering as so often happens in novelty releases like this box set! The level is a solid -12 LUFS. Looks like maybe a db or 2 of limiting at the most which is transparent. The mix master was probably at -13 LUFS off the board. And the show absolutely kicks ass! The stars are aligned this time!
Anyone interested in the novelty of a crude hand messing with the album mixes and 192k mp3 sound divided across 12 channels chirping out of your streaming service and all the other insulting nonsense offered up for a premium price, knock yourselves out. For the rest of us, this concert is the real deal and it's a rare undamaged consumer delivery!
The concert is a great mix! And it has not been damaged in mastering as so often happens in novelty releases like this box set! The level is a solid -12 LUFS. Looks like maybe a db or 2 of limiting at the most which is transparent. The mix master was probably at -13 LUFS off the board. And the show absolutely kicks ass! The stars are aligned this time!
Anyone interested in the novelty of a crude hand messing with the album mixes and 192k mp3 sound divided across 12 channels chirping out of your streaming service and all the other insulting nonsense offered up for a premium price, knock yourselves out. For the rest of us, this concert is the real deal and it's a rare undamaged consumer delivery!
Oh nice. I haven't listened to the concert tracks yet....
Frogmort
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The Live in YYZ concert is amazing! Listening to it now. The performance and the mix are both awesome!
As an aside, I love your reference to a single package speaker that's supposed to defy the laws of physics and redistribute the audio around the entire room, as a "Shitbar". A similar term I read that I really like is, for a low-cost, budget-minded "affordable" subwoofer, is a "Fartbox".
A shitbar and a fartbox: Imagine the possibilities.
fcormier
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I've been following this thread to see what I will be missing (I only have the 2011 DVD-A and will not be buying the boxset). What surprised me is all the talk about the Apple Atmos mixes. I am not and probably will not be equipped for Atmos. I always thought the Apple Atmos mixes were a gimmick and automatically generated upmixes, but all your comments seem to say otherwise. Could one of the Moving Picture Atmos mix on Apple music be an automatically generated upmix?
JediJoker
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Technically, auto-upmixed content would violate Apple's policies. Manually upmixed content, though... That seems possible.
Yes @JediJoker is correct, auto upmixes or something created using artificial algorithms is prohibited by AM. IMO, the "previous" Atmos Moving Pictures mixes were likely done by an engineer before Chycki completed his mixes and probably were rushed to Apple Music so they could have tracks to release. In fact, Tom Sawyer and Limelight were two of the first Atmos mixes that could be found on AM back mid last year when Apple Music introduced spatial audio to the public.
It's not my intention to single you out by any means, but I've read that claim elsewhere and I'm not sure where people are getting the idea - the vast majority of them appear to be genuine remixes from a multitrack source, though obviously that doesn't guarantee they sound good. Many (most?) of the Atmos titles recently issued on Blu-Ray disc - examples include Tears For Fears' The Tipping Point, Kiss' Destroyer, The Band's Cahoots, etc - are also streaming on Apple/Tidal and clearly use the same mix/master.
Agreed 100% - genuine remixes and that doesn't guarantee the mixes will sound good...competent engineers will make a tremendous difference. We've all seen where a good mastered redbook cd will sound pretty darn good vs. a brickwalled piece of trash.
I think people are getting the idea because they are putting their ear to their speakers and coming to the conclusion that the sounds are either not discrete or artificially generated. Or they just don't want to give the technology a chance (i.e. stereo is king, pure audiophiles don't listen to surround music, etc.)
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The low bit rate aac of these streams - a low bit rate to begin with and shared by 12 channels of data - is grainy enough for a prominent "mp3 effect" on the cymbals. Maybe those artifacts are making some people suspect AI generated mixes?
If you put full sound ahead of adding channels, the streaming remains make a poor impression. There are many variables and there will still be examples that shine enough to deliver a lot. Others might sound cheap next to the original releases. The original Rush mixes set the bar pretty high.
If you put full sound ahead of adding channels, the streaming remains make a poor impression. There are many variables and there will still be examples that shine enough to deliver a lot. Others might sound cheap next to the original releases. The original Rush mixes set the bar pretty high.
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